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Corsair CX series is a so-so series. Maybe something from Antec or Rosewill Green 430 W?
The Corsair is already purchased - we've been using Corsair for the last few years with no problems, so I'm a bit partial to them for now, despite the extra cost on some of the higher end models. I had a Rosewill give me some hell a few years back, but I generally like them as well. Regardless, I've found that the PSU is one area you don't want to skimp in these builds (rookie mistake from many years ago!)...
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What is he even going to do with this build!?  For all we know a $400-500 small form factor A8 build might be all that's necessary here.  Definitely go with an A8 APU build over Athlon II x4 + 8400GS because an A8 APU config would provide the same CPU performance and so much better GPU performance for the same price!  A8 builds work fine in small form factor cases too.

Not a direct reply to your comments, xd, but figured I'd quote you here anyway smile.gif

I agree that a lesser processor would be adequate here, but I don't see enough of a price difference to warrant it, unless it will in turn lower the price of the mother board (I still need to do some comparisons in this regard). Ideally, a mobo with decent on board video that is sub-$100 would be the best way to decrease the overall cost (aside from finding a suitable HDD in one of my many boxes of spare parts), from what I can tell. However, I'm only really personally familiar with ASUS, ABit, and Gigabyte mobos, and the cheaper ones I've been looking at today are all questionable at best, based on the reviews I've read so far.

As another note, my mom is the one paying for this and she's agreed to a $400-$450 range, when all is said and done. In addition, my grand father lives about 4 hours away from me, so I need to make sure this build is reliable - if something happens, I'll be the one to fix it and that trip is obviously not easy nor cheap to make. So in my mind, I am willing to pitch in a bit of my own cash for peace of mind if it could mean the difference between one and several trips down there.

That in mind, does anyone have any sub-$100 mobos they can recommend, preferably with on board video (it doesn't need to be fancy by any means - the most gaming I think they do is Bejeweled)? I was looking at this, but the reviews are all over the place, and I seem to remember reading some questionable reviews elsewhere about Biostar. Also, it seems all the mobos I find with on board video are Micro ATX...guess that's just how things are these days. But if I'd realized that, I could have gotten a smaller case (though I like this case, so it's all good).

EDIT to reply to some comments while I was in the middle of the above reply:
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Originally Posted by mathelm View Post

Seriously, regardless of which way you go, with the price of ram, get him the 16gig, just so you can say you did.....
I likely will, depending on what mobo I end up getting. But the second 8GB can wait, if need be, it'll depend on what all this costs once I get things nailed down.
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If he wants an i7 why get him a Llano? Unless I missed something and he actually doesn't mind?
I explained what he was asking for and how his other comment of "cost is not to great" wouldn't fit what he was asking for. He laughed because I think he knew that it was more than he needed. I explained what we'd likely get him, which is roughly about what I have linked in the OP, and he seemed fine with that.
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I think that AM3+ motherboard is pretty highend for that AthlonII X4. Are just making sure he can upgrade to bulldozer or piledriver in the future?
My thoughts too. My "first draft" is obviously a little overboard, so I'm working to skim things down a bit now. I suppose the big picture is that this should be the last PC he needs...knowing him, he's likely to be around another 10 or 20 years, so it might as well last as long as possible.
Edited by Mattroid - 12/24/11 at 4:09pm
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If you want to buy an i7 of whatever variant simply to please,have at it). As you stated the old are not as dumb as some think. Explain to your grandfather how there are better places to put the money than in a chip that he will probaly not use its capabilities,I just bet he will understand. Include your grandfather in the selection of parts,dedicated or discrete gpu,put money here or put it over there,better chance he is happy with what he gets.The only reason I have i7's is for folding,you can be sure I would have not bought them if I was not folding.
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If you live close to a Micro Center, may I suggest a Phenom II X4 840 over the Athlon II X4 640...
Both are Propus core
$60.00 vs $100.00
3.2 GHz vs 3.0 GHz

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post #14 of 23
The man is old.

Get him the i7....

At least he will have what he wanted smile.gif

Also it is unlikely that he would ever need to upgrade again if you did.

Also, last gen i7's acre cheap. Look for i7 920, they are usually about $140 (same as A8 roughly), and compatible motherboards are also cheap. (~100)
Edited by reflex99 - 12/24/11 at 5:06pm
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If you live close to a Micro Center, may I suggest a Phenom II X4 840 over the Athlon II X4 640...
Both are Propus core
$60.00 vs $100.00
3.2 GHz vs 3.0 GHz
Cheers cheers.gif

Nice! I wonder how long that deal will be available? If it's still going on on Tuesday, then I'd say that may be the way to go. It's 'in store only' but maybe I can order online and pick up next week. Thanks for the tip!
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The Phenom II X4 840 has been priced at $60.00 at Micro Center for a couple months now.
It seems to be an indefinite promotion at M/C.
You can reserve it online, and pick it up at the store, they will hold the item for 3 calender days, according to their site.
I hope this helps, and I wish you all the best on the new build.

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128468
(All-in-one low power build. Takes care of motherboard, CPU, and GPU)

The above is a very cheap option, given what you've describe, I believe it can handle it.

This next build will have bigger gap in performance increase.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138337
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103955

Again you don't need another GPU. Both performance wise and GPU wise it is better than Athlon II X4 + 8400GS. I don't think it is expensive when added up.
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I would vouch for that mobo. But... it's really overkill. He'll be running stock & you don't need an 8+2 phase VRM setup for him... HAHA

Similarly you can get a legitimate 400-600w PSU for $30-35 after rebate if you poke around :O or wait if you find nothing after poking around.
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Called my grandfather tonight and spent a few minutes on TeamViewer so I could check a few things on his current box - yeah that thing is OLD. It's got a 70GB HDD in it, and he barely uses half of it, much of which is bloatware from the original stock install. So he could probably get by with a 64GB SSD, even though Win7 takes a significant bit more space for the install alone...If he's only used that much in 8 years...he should be fine. I can always get him a storage HDD later if it looks like he needs it. Either way, that'll drop the cost another $50 or so.

New wishlist, assuming my order at MicroCenter goes through (it should). I'm still flaky on the mobo, but looking to spend between $50 and $100, now that I've lowered the price some elsewhere.

I do realize this thing is way more than he needs, but if he keeps this one for another 8 years, it should be in better shape then the one he has had up until now has been. Then again, someone probably said that about the one he has now way back then...

EDIT: I like that all-in-one you posted, trumpet. For some reason my wife is against getting him a dual core, though I think it'd still be enough for him. I'm going to look at that some anyway.
Edited by Mattroid - 12/25/11 at 8:55pm
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He shed blood for this country, get him his i7, 16gb ram, win 7, AND a GTX 590 while your at it.
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