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Thank you for the guide.Its Been a great help getting my folding machine 24/7 stable.I am using the g1assian2. 4.5 was easy on auto but anything more is going to be trickey. thumb.gif
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whistle.gif I was running 4.5 with 1.62v on water on both rigs... oups...

 

I since then dropped to 1.4 and that seems ok. I feel like I am slightly limited by the 500W PSU I have in one of them... maybe I need to put a 660w in it. It's not for gaming, just for application processing.

 

4.5 seems the sweet spot before your power consumption skyrocketed.

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I think you are thinking it the wrong way the sandy bridge architecture is different, in socket 1155 remember you can only move the blck freq by a little. Well it is the same case here the strap is the only difference since there is 1.25 and other setting, if you have a look at the asus rog youtube video JJ did mention that even if you set the strap to other than 1.0 it might boot it might not and you can only raise the blck to somewhere 3+ of the original setting in normal cases.
Just leave it at 1.0x the only reason to use it imo is if you have ram that is rated at 2000 1.25x will have that and thats only if it runs stable.


However, What I am saying is that I use 1.25 and I DO Boot. I have no problem Booting there. Let me attempt to explain something here that I dont think is very clear..

Its hard to explain because Blck, Strap, divider....SHESH. They call it a strap but its actually both a strap and a divider. Straps to Ram(why its called a strap) but it UNstraps or Divides the PCIe lanes from the Bclk so it can be raised without raising the PCIe

To explain how this Strap/Divider is working according to my understanding....

If I raise the strap to 1.25x it raises my Blck to 125Mhz. Now, If I raise my BCLK to 127Mhz(only 2+) I am under the impression that my PCIe lanes have only raised from 100 to 102Mhz because of the 2 plus Because I am strapped/divided at 1.25. Now If I was able to use the 1.67strap It would raise my Blck to 167Mhz(which most likely isnt going to happen) but If I raise that Blck from 167 to 171 then my PCIe Lanes are at 104mhz

that is how I understand it.

Now, If I dont use the strap at all!!! And I raise my Blck to 125 then that means my PCIe lanes are at 125Mhz. If this is not correct then there is something very confusing about the way these settings work. Because the Blck is the Blck and the PCIe Frequency is attached to it. So it you DO NOT use the strap then you are not unstrapping the PCIe lanes from the Bclk.

If i am wrong someone who knows needs to say how this works because I was under the impression that without the divider(which its called a strap because its straps it to the memory where not using it does not but as a Divider it is Dividing the PCIe lane from the Blck) So, using 1.25x makes your Bclk 125mhz yet unstraps your PCIe lane from it leaving the PCIe lane at 100mhz. The PCIe is the reason you can only raise the BCLK +6 or +7 with or without the strap in any position. Because making your strap 1.25x makes your Blck 125. Then you raise the Bclk to 133 and that would make your PCIe lanes 108mhz.

I cant explain it any better then that so If thats hard to understand then I need to give up posting!tongue.gif
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BLCK straps don't affect PCI-E and DMI, the PCI-E and DMI downclock when a strap is applied, so that their final frequency is not 125mhz, it is 100mhz when you set 1.25x100 and 100 when you set 1.67x100. It is PCI-E and DMI of 102 when you set 1.25x102 and so on. The PCI-E and DMI cannot operate north of 110, so that is the reason we have the straps. Otherwise the CPU has no issue going up to 140mhz blck.
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BLCK straps don't affect PCI-E and DMI, the PCI-E and DMI downclock when a strap is applied, so that their final frequency is not 125mhz, it is 100mhz when you set 1.25x100 and 100 when you set 1.67x100. It is PCI-E and DMI of 102 when you set 1.25x102 and so on. The PCI-E and DMI cannot operate north of 110, so that is the reason we have the straps. Otherwise the CPU has no issue going up to 140mhz blck.

That is what i said above. You just said it easier. My confusion with the R4E is that it doesnt show you the PCIe Speed anywhere. You just have to do the math.

If your strap is 1.25 that makes your Blck 125and your PCIe 100mhz. However, if you raise your Blck to 127 then the extra two points raises your PCIe to 102.

Thats all I was trying to get to.

But again, not trying to beat this dead horse..... Asus R4E does NOT show PCIe speed. So, If you DO NOT use the strap at all on a Gigabyte board but you start raising the Bclk ONLY with no strap you will only get it to 107 tops or a bit higher. On this Asus board, without using a strap you can raise the Blck to 125, Again, without a strap or 1.25.

What does that make the PCIe bus? Lets forget what is possible and just look at the math.. If I raise the BLCK to 115 then my PCIe would be at 115 because the divider is not being used.
So, If I set my Blck (again without the strap) to 129 then my PCIe will be at 129mhz. Wether it works or not is not what I am getting at here.
I am asking the simple question of, If you do not use the strap and you JUST raise the BCLK, What happens to the PCIe lanes and DMI? Answer, They raise with it.


I am running my R4E at 125x40 for 5.0ghz and I am UNSTRAPPED. I am not using the 1.25 strap. I am SIMPLY at 125Blclk PCIe and DMI. I will post picks to show you.
Unless Asus has some majic that after you raise the Blck past 110 then the PCIe , DMI, and BCLK are ALL running at 125 right now.

Here is MY overclock USING the strap.. .Under is ASUS Normal OC Profile which is NOT Using the strap but has the Blck at 125 meaning ALL PCIe DMI and BLCK are running at 125Mhz unless they have some sort of Magic going on
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The Pic below is ASUS NORMAL overclocking Profile. Notice the 125BCLK without the strap. now, If I made that settings 106 then My PCIe, DMI and BLCK would be 106
But it is at 125 which means they ALL have to be at 125 because it is NOT using the strap in the Pic below
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Again let me make clear that I am saying that either ASUS, MSI and ASrock Have some knowledge that Gigabyte wasnt given because all of those boards will run BCLK to 125 WITHOUT the strap! Or all the other board makers do not allow BCLK adjustments undivided from the PCIe and DMI like Gigabyte allows by not using the strap

I am trying to figure out why Gigabyte only goes to 106 110 at most and these other companies boards will run to 125 without the strap.

UNLESS, These others have managed to unlink the PCIe and DMI from ANY BCLK adjustment leaving their boards unable to adjust the PCIe and DMI at all no matter if you use the Strap or just the BCLK Frequency. Maybe the Gigabyte board allows PCIe And DMI changes and these other boards do not.

Is it that ALL boards only use it as a strap to memory only and Gigabyte uses it to divide?


Sin are you starting to see what I am talking about? Because I feel here that I am not being understood by responses Or that I am just confused as to why on Gigabytes board the Strap Also Divides BCLK from PCIE and DMI and not one of these other boards allow this(if this is the case).
Between me and a friend we have used Every one of these boards and I see a difference in the names used but also in what they are capable of doing.
Edited by abeeftec - 12/27/11 at 2:27pm
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The Pic below is ASUS NORMAL overclocking Profile. Notice the 125BCLK without the strap. now, If I made that settings 106 then My PCIe, DMI and BLCK would be 106
But it is at 125 which means they ALL have to be at 125 because it is NOT using the strap in the Pic below
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Again let me make clear that I am saying that either ASUS, MSI and ASrock Have some knowledge that Gigabyte wasnt given because all of those boards will run BCLK to 125 WITHOUT the strap! Or all the other board makers do not allow BCLK adjustments undivided from the PCIe and DMI like Gigabyte allows by not using the strap
I am trying to figure out why Gigabyte only goes to 106 110 at most and these other companies boards will run to 125 without the strap.

Your strap is set to Auto. Just because you didn't set the strap to a specific value doesn't mean it isn't being used. When set to Auto, I'm pretty sure that the RIVE will select the appropriate strap for the BCLK you set.

At some point between 100 and 125 it probably sets the strap to 125 and shifts the BCLK lower to compensate. You might be able to tell where this happens by looking at the available memory frequencies. At the point where the strap changes, I would think that the range of RAM frequencies will shift much lower. I don't have the board (yet) so I don't know for sure.
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Let's make a few things very clear. YTou are making this too complicated for no reason lol.

ASUS thinks it is funny to make it look like their boards are doing 130blck, the board finds the best strap for the frequency chosen in BLCK, and then it sets it. It will have to OC the PCI-E, even tho not showing you the PCI-E clock.

Final BLCK ALWAYS WITHOUT EXCEPTION = BLCK STRAP x BLCK
BLCK= PCI-E frequency WITHOUT EXCEPTION
Final CPU Frequency = MULTIPLIER X BLCK X BLCK STRAP
Final memory frequency=MULTIPLIER X BLCK X BLCK Strap

Once again PCI-E frequency= BLCK or in terms to confuse it, PCI-E frequency=Final BLCK / BLCK strap

IT IS USING THE STRAP!!!!!! Don't be fooled man there is no special way to increase the bLCK over that much. PCI-E frequency of 125 would ruin your GPUs and your storage.

Dude it doesn't matter if you set the BLCK or not, the straps are in place and in use, automatically instead of manually like on the GIGABYTE boards.

You have the same control over the BLCK in both cases, with 130blck set, on GIGABYTE you have to do the math, on the ASUS you don't. It still doesn't change that you have to use the 1.25 multiplier or 104BLCK. The PCI-E and DMI will be 104mhz in both cases.

I don't see how that is hard to grasp???????????????

The whole thing is that GB is making you key in two values rather than 1, which IMO is better since you don't know if your BLCK it way out of range or not.
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Let's make a few things very clear. YTou are making this too complicated for no reason lol.
ASUS thinks it is funny to make it look like their boards are doing 130blck, the board finds the best strap for the frequency chosen in BLCK, and then it sets it. It will have to OC the PCI-E, even tho not showing you the PCI-E clock.
Final BLCK ALWAYS WITHOUT EXCEPTION = BLCK STRAP x BLCK
BLCK= PCI-E frequency WITHOUT EXCEPTION
Final CPU Frequency = MULTIPLIER X BLCK X BLCK STRAP
Final memory frequency=MULTIPLIER X BLCK X BLCK Strap
Once again PCI-E frequency= BLCK or in terms to confuse it, PCI-E frequency=Final BLCK / BLCK strap
IT IS USING THE STRAP!!!!!! Don't be fooled man there is no special way to increase the bLCK over that much. PCI-E frequency of 125 would ruin your GPUs and your storage.
Dude it doesn't matter if you set the BLCK or not, the straps are in place and in use, automatically instead of manually like on the GIGABYTE boards.
You have the same control over the BLCK in both cases, with 130blck set, on GIGABYTE you have to do the math, on the ASUS you don't. It still doesn't change that you have to use the 1.25 multiplier or 104BLCK. The PCI-E and DMI will be 104mhz in both cases.
I don't see how that is hard to grasp???????????????
The whole thing is that GB is making you key in two values rather than 1, which IMO is better since you don't know if your BLCK it way out of range or not.

I can tell you why its hard to grasp, Because I am not a Bios!( I had to edit to make sure you know this was a joke) I have to learn them and to this point I have only messed with Gigabyte and then finally went Asus. I had my suspicions about how it works because of speaking with a friend who has owned just as many boards as I have that the Blck was acting strange on some boards. What do I mean by acting strange?
Allowing 125 and 130Blcks on all boards but Gigabyte. However, I have found that basically if you keep raising the Bclk only on the ASUS Board from 100 to 107 you will boot. After 107 its a dead lock up.
So from 108 to a certain point there is a no boot. But I still am not sure where it picks back up again. Obviously setting 124 may choose the 125 bclk and then lower the Bclk to 124 which may work. But the PCIe lanes would be at 99 then and so would the DMI. Then it gets super ridiculous because with the Asus board setting a 1.66 strap causes the Multiplier to vanish completely on the current bios I am using.
I will send you a PM for why I was trying to figure all this out Sin. It is a bit long for here.
Edited by abeeftec - 12/28/11 at 8:40am
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This is for SIN!

I have OCed gigabyte boards for the last 3 years or more with great results as well as posting in most forums.

I'm now on my second X79 UD7 and thought Gig would have released a good enough bios to clock somewhat well! The fact of the matter is now I have loaded the F7 bios and on its own went and loaded in both bios on the board.

Now I'm LOCKED OUT from changing to any other bios!!!!!! what a waste as these F7 bios ONLY allow me to get to 4.9 on a H100 with temps at mid 30's.

Being Gigabyte has now taken control of what I can or can't do I won't recomend them at ALL.

This bios has become a total waste. DO NOT LOAD THE F7 BIOS!!!!! as it will lock you out from loading any beta bios below F7

T&B
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Well they did have issues with blowing VRM's... so they put the settings back a bit.

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