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an interessting articel about delidding i7 7700k

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/intel_i7_7700k_temps_lower_by_26_degrees_after_tim_replacement/1
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Not really relevant to SB-E though. Intel didn't start all the stupid TIM nonsense until IB/E.
    
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Not really relevant to SB-E though. Intel didn't start all the stupid TIM nonsense until IB/E.

nonsense? biggrin.gif
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nonsense? biggrin.gif

Read the original IB reviews. The TIM Intel used was awful, the chip runs very hot. There are lots of delidding vids & guides on YT showing how to replace the TIM, resulting in very significant load temp drops (one guy had 35C lower temps). Intel basically made SB too good, so nobody was upgrading. I've built seven 2700K systems so far, every single one of them runs happily at 5GHz with just a TRUE and one fan, with good temps and decent voltage (though I employ an H80 in final builds for minimum noise, NDS fans instead of the default Corsair units). This issue of Intel's chips running overly hot went on for quite a while, and is still a problem.

Oh, by nonsense I meant what Intel did, not what people were saying about it. smile.gif

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Hello folks, i've had my 3930k for nearly five years now and since i'm getting a bit behind in performance. I'm thinking about overclocking the daylights a bit to get to around say 4.4ghz~4.6ghz?

I've been reading this guide, but it's been a while so i think i'd like to get some pointers on some stuff.

I'd like to keep as many power saving states as i can while being as stable as I can, in the guide, it has the option of leaving most of them enabled if you want the power states to save on; except CPU thermal monitor and Bi-directional Prochot?

Also do I have to set my Turbo power limit to 500watts?
Do i have to manually set all my turbo multipliers? I just set the cpu clock ratio multiplier on the previous page to 42 or 43 whatever.
Do i also have to set the core current limit (this and the turbo power limit are on auto)

I also read about cpu offset but i havent seen that since my old ib rig, ever since i moved to sb-e, the 'dynamic' box is greyed out.

My core clocks - vcores are as follows

4ghz - 1.26v
4.2 - 1.31v (stable so far)

Im trying to hit 4.4 but you guys reccomend 1.35 as the hard limit for 24/7?
I also put vtt and imc on 1.05v and pll on auto, but i read around and it said to throw it on 1.8 or 1.81.

I also have mixed ram, gskill ripjaws 2 sticks at cl9 1333 and 2 at cl9 1600mhz, i haven't done much but i but the settings on 'enhance stability' or something.

Other than that i might post some pictures so its easier to show.





also what do people mean 'you can reach 4/4.2ghz on stock voltage, just dont touch it', i thought the voltage shoots up really high when you dont touch it, so you touch it to keep it down headscratch.gif
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damnwebsite writes:
> Hello folks, i've had my 3930k for nearly five years now and since i'm getting a bit behind in performance. ...

Bare in mind that after 5 years, the life of the CPU will already have been "used up" to some extent, so don't expect an oc experience without issues. YMMV.


> I'm thinking about overclocking the daylights a bit to get to around say 4.4ghz~4.6ghz?

For SB-E that's on the low side IMO, but then if you have a UD3 and/or the SR0H9 version then 4.4 to 4.6 is probably more realistic, especially given the age of your CPU.


> I'd like to keep as many power saving states as i can while being as stable as I can, ...

This may be very dependent on the mbd. I've done a number of 3930K oc's with ASUS boards (X79 Deluxe, P9X79/E WS, R4E), for which of course offset voltage makes the most sense if one wishes to retain power saving features, but you might find this isn't compatible with the UD3. Depends on the CPU, the board, etc.

As it happens I'll be oc'ing a UD3/3930K next week, so I can send you some settings assuming all goes well.

NB: ASUS has a good guide on offset oc'ing on its ROG forum pages.


> Do i have to manually set all my turbo multipliers? I just set the cpu clock ratio multiplier on the previous page to 42 or 43 whatever.

For simplicity one can set the ratios manually. Depending on the board, for finer tuning, one could have separate multipliers such that when fewer cores are active a higher multiplier is used, ie. making better use of the available thermal headroom.


> Do i also have to set the core current limit (this and the turbo power limit are on auto)

You may well have to, but one can often do a lot without needing to. Depends on you target oc. Also, power limits & suchlike tend to become more important if one is oc'ing a system with a lot of RAM. Most of my builds had 32GB or 64GB, so such settings were critical.


> I also read about cpu offset but i havent seen that since my old ib rig, ever since i moved to sb-e, the 'dynamic' box is greyed out.

I can't comment about your UD3 (yet), but it may be that certain other settings have to be in place in order for the offset option to be available. Best check with Gigabyte, I'd be surprised if they didn't have a FAQ about it somewhere.


> Im trying to hit 4.4 but you guys reccomend 1.35 as the hard limit for 24/7?

Funny how people vary so much on this. Personally I'm happy with anything up to 1.45, but really, as Miahallen says, it's probably more sensible to go via load temps, as they will likely reach a tolerable peak level before the temps do. However, one can set goals/limits for both, eg. one could decide not to allow load temps to go above something arbitrary such as TjMax minus 10.


> I also put vtt and imc on 1.05v and pll on auto, but i read around and it said to throw it on 1.8 or 1.81.

Again, these can vary greatly between CPU samples, mbds, etc. I could mention my settings, but I don't know how they might translate to your UD3 and particular chip sample.

Be careful of jumping about changing multiple settings though, as then you won't really know what's going on. Be methodical. I recommend following Miahallen's guide, it's the best I found so far.


> I also have mixed ram, gskill ripjaws 2 sticks at cl9 1333 and 2 at cl9 1600mhz, i haven't done much but i but the settings on 'enhance stability' or something.

Mixing RAM is unwise.

Also, if you're looking for better performance, really for X79 that is slow RAM you have there (depends on the task of course, but some apps like AE benefit a lot from overall RAM clock). For an X79 build, especially with an oc'd CPU, I wouldn't use anything below 1866 (afterall, a balanced system is important). Typically I've stuck with GSkill TridentX 2400MHz kits, running at 2133 if the chip's controller can't handle all the slots being filled with an oc at the same time (I usually aim for 4.7 or 4.8), and note that sometimes 2400 kits have been cheaper than 2133. However, people speak highly of Corsair aswell, though I've had good fortune seeking used GSkill kits because they have a lifetime transferrable warranty.

The UD3 build I'm doing has 32GB (4x8) of Vengeance Pro Red 2400MHz (bought back when RAM prices were not stupid), so it'll be interesting to see how it behaves compared to the GSkill I normally use. I had wanted to buy GSkill again, but seller prices had already started to climb insanely, whereas CLL still had the Corsair kit for 116 UKP (the same kit today is 231). Review sites say the price hikes are due to a DRAM shortage, but that's nonsense, I literally saw some sites hike prices overnight after being asked why a better kit X was cheaper than a lesser kit Y. In reality it was far more about what people were willing to pay, and exploiting the Zen launch. A shortage of DRAM might explain some of the price increases, but nothing like all of it, and not the dodgy hikes I saw happening on certain sites. Oops, sorry, I appear to have ranted a bit. :}


> also what do people mean 'you can reach 4/4.2ghz on stock voltage, just dont touch it', i thought the voltage
> shoots up really high when you dont touch it, so you touch it to keep it down headscratch.gif

Not sure on that one. biggrin.gif If one was going for stock voltage oc'ing, what I would do is see what it hits during normal use with everything on Auto and then dial in that voltage manually, eg. 1.25 or whatever it happens to be.

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damnwebsite writes:
> Hello folks, i've had my 3930k for nearly five years now and since i'm getting a bit behind in performance. ...

Bare in mind that after 5 years, the life of the CPU will already have been "used up" to some extent, so don't expect an oc experience without issues. YMMV.


> I'm thinking about overclocking the daylights a bit to get to around say 4.4ghz~4.6ghz?

For SB-E that's on the low side IMO, but then if you have a UD3 and/or the SR0H9 version then 4.4 to 4.6 is probably more realistic, especially given the age of your CPU.


> I'd like to keep as many power saving states as i can while being as stable as I can, ...

This may be very dependent on the mbd. I've done a number of 3930K oc's with ASUS boards (X79 Deluxe, P9X79/E WS, R4E), for which of course offset voltage makes the most sense if one wishes to retain power saving features, but you might find this isn't compatible with the UD3. Depends on the CPU, the board, etc.

As it happens I'll be oc'ing a UD3/3930K next week, so I can send you some settings assuming all goes well.

NB: ASUS has a good guide on offset oc'ing on its ROG forum pages.


> Do i have to manually set all my turbo multipliers? I just set the cpu clock ratio multiplier on the previous page to 42 or 43 whatever.

For simplicity one can set the ratios manually. Depending on the board, for finer tuning, one could have separate multipliers such that when fewer cores are active a higher multiplier is used, ie. making better use of the available thermal headroom.


> Do i also have to set the core current limit (this and the turbo power limit are on auto)

You may well have to, but one can often do a lot without needing to. Depends on you target oc. Also, power limits & suchlike tend to become more important if one is oc'ing a system with a lot of RAM. Most of my builds had 32GB or 64GB, so such settings were critical.


> I also read about cpu offset but i havent seen that since my old ib rig, ever since i moved to sb-e, the 'dynamic' box is greyed out.

I can't comment about your UD3 (yet), but it may be that certain other settings have to be in place in order for the offset option to be available. Best check with Gigabyte, I'd be surprised if they didn't have a FAQ about it somewhere.


> Im trying to hit 4.4 but you guys reccomend 1.35 as the hard limit for 24/7?

Funny how people vary so much on this. Personally I'm happy with anything up to 1.45, but really, as Miahallen says, it's probably more sensible to go via load temps, as they will likely reach a tolerable peak level before the temps do. However, one can set goals/limits for both, eg. one could decide not to allow load temps to go above something arbitrary such as TjMax minus 10.


> I also put vtt and imc on 1.05v and pll on auto, but i read around and it said to throw it on 1.8 or 1.81.

Again, these can vary greatly between CPU samples, mbds, etc. I could mention my settings, but I don't know how they might translate to your UD3 and particular chip sample.

Be careful of jumping about changing multiple settings though, as then you won't really know what's going on. Be methodical. I recommend following Miahallen's guide, it's the best I found so far.


> I also have mixed ram, gskill ripjaws 2 sticks at cl9 1333 and 2 at cl9 1600mhz, i haven't done much but i but the settings on 'enhance stability' or something.

Mixing RAM is unwise.

Also, if you're looking for better performance, really for X79 that is slow RAM you have there (depends on the task of course, but some apps like AE benefit a lot from overall RAM clock). For an X79 build, especially with an oc'd CPU, I wouldn't use anything below 1866 (afterall, a balanced system is important). Typically I've stuck with GSkill TridentX 2400MHz kits, running at 2133 if the chip's controller can't handle all the slots being filled with an oc at the same time (I usually aim for 4.7 or 4.8), and note that sometimes 2400 kits have been cheaper than 2133. However, people speak highly of Corsair aswell, though I've had good fortune seeking used GSkill kits because they have a lifetime transferrable warranty.

The UD3 build I'm doing has 32GB (4x8) of Vengeance Pro Red 2400MHz (bought back when RAM prices were not stupid), so it'll be interesting to see how it behaves compared to the GSkill I normally use. I had wanted to buy GSkill again, but seller prices had already started to climb insanely, whereas CLL still had the Corsair kit for 116 UKP (the same kit today is 231). Review sites say the price hikes are due to a DRAM shortage, but that's nonsense, I literally saw some sites hike prices overnight after being asked why a better kit X was cheaper than a lesser kit Y. In reality it was far more about what people were willing to pay, and exploiting the Zen launch. A shortage of DRAM might explain some of the price increases, but nothing like all of it, and not the dodgy hikes I saw happening on certain sites. Oops, sorry, I appear to have ranted a bit. :}


> also what do people mean 'you can reach 4/4.2ghz on stock voltage, just dont touch it', i thought the voltage
> shoots up really high when you dont touch it, so you touch it to keep it down headscratch.gif

Not sure on that one. biggrin.gif If one was going for stock voltage oc'ing, what I would do is see what it hits during normal use with everything on Auto and then dial in that voltage manually, eg. 1.25 or whatever it happens to be.

Ian.

Yeah i'd like some bios pictures when you get there plz

Im on 4.2 at 1.31 and its not prime stable but i can max out all the ram and 100% the cpu for 12 hours straight without crashing (i run vmware a lot). If i try go higher ill be at 1.4v and still not prime stable (ie 4.3ghz), tbh id like to hit 4.4 and maybe 4.5 for the lols but the chip doesnt seem to be playing nice with me or i'm just doing something wrong.

Also i need all the ram i can get and i dont have 16gigs that match each other, i have like 4 different 2x4 kits in the house. arrowheadsmiley.png:sad-smile

note there are some apps that i use that are horribly coded for multicore cpu's (ie they only use one core), so my the performance scales nearly linearly when i overclock my cpu, from stock to 4ghz saw a giant increase, to 4.2 another hop and im wondering how good 4.4 will be :B
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I would definitely replace the RAM, seek out a coherent 2133 or 2400MHz 16GB/32GB kit.

Btw, have you tried following Miahallen's oc guide for X79? If not, that's a definite first step, because the oc levels you're going for here shouldn't really require much in the way of tweaking many other settings, not like I've had to do. You ought to be able to get by with most settings at defaults, though for a larger RAM setup it's best to dial in the settings manually, especially if you fill all the slots.

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I would definitely replace the RAM, seek out a coherent 2133 or 2400MHz 16GB/32GB kit.

Btw, have you tried following Miahallen's oc guide for X79? If not, that's a definite first step, because the oc levels you're going for here shouldn't really require much in the way of tweaking many other settings, not like I've had to do. You ought to be able to get by with most settings at defaults, though for a larger RAM setup it's best to dial in the settings manually, especially if you fill all the slots.

Ian.

Can i get a link, i can only find older lga 1366 stuff and older on google

Also, upgrading this computer anymore is out of the question, last thing i did was get a 1060 because i have no igpu and i needed to give my graphics card to someone else in the house. So im holding out for at least another year until i graduate, then ill get something real nice...

Also hardly any shops/anyone sell good ddr3 kits anymore, smallish country
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> Can i get a link, i can only find older lga 1366 stuff and older on google

Ah, you may have a point, I think I may have been thinking of his SB guide, though the same concepts apply:

http://www.techreaction.net/2011/01/04/3-step-overclocking-guide-%E2%80%93-sandy-bridge-v0-1beta/

ASUS has a youtube guide though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx2z07sFM2I

Also, check my previous posts, I've listed my settings on several occasions.


> So im holding out for at least another year until i graduate, then ill get something real nice...

Should be a good time by then, Volta, Zen2, Vega, etc.


> Also hardly any shops/anyone sell good ddr3 kits anymore, smallish country

True, many stores have little in the way of DDR3 suppliies, though TBH (apart from the Corsair 32GB kit) I've obtained a lot of my kits via ebay.

Where are you in the world?

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