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Hey everyone, been reading through the thread and WOW! TONS of info!

I do have a few questions that I hope some of you may be able to help me with, but first a little background:
Early '12, we got my girlfriend a new PC and managed to get a SWEET deal on an HP Pavilion p7-1074 (I think?), just $280 BNIB. The reason for grabbing this particular PC was the fact that it had 8GB of Samsung DDR3-1333, a 1.5TB WD HDD, a Blu-Ray Reader/DVD-Burner, and of course the piece de resistance, an AMD Phenom II X4 960T. I knew a bit about the processor at the time, enough to know that it was well worth the buy, even as a prebuilt (and, despite being a pre-built, it is a dang good machine for the money!). We bought it knowing that, at some point in the future, it would be upgraded to take advantage of the awesome processor contained within, and in the meantime it would serve as a reliable, fast, and efficient PC (my latest builds have all been Intel, but I have a huge soft-spot for AMD as my first build was with an Athlon64 FX-51, a system I still have to this day!).
The other day, I noticed it was running a bit warm (24-28C Idle in 14C Ambient), compared to the usual running temp, so I decided to pull it apart and re-apply the TIM on the CPU/HSF as well as the NB Heatsink. I pulled of the OEM HSF, scraped off the junk they call Thermal Paste, and replaced it with some Prolimatech PK-1, and then did the same for the Northbridge/IGP heatsinks. The fan installed was an 80x25 0.41amp pretty-decent fan, but I swapped it for a Delta 80x25mm 0.61amp 68-74cfm fan and used a gutted Masscool 80x25 fan shroud between the fan and the heatsink to make it both quieter and more effective (cut out two perfect-sized chunks of mouse-pad material and then trimmed them down, to use between the shroud/HSF and then fan/shroud to prevent air leaks and reduce vibration). I also swapped the, currently ONLY, system fan from intake to exhaust (it is in the rear of the case) as I will be taking a Dremel to the case to add a front 120mm intake and possible a bottom 80/92/120 intake in the next couple of days. In the meantime, the front panel cover is off the HP case and there is a "Vornado 8inch High-Pressure" Fan blowing air into the front of the computer.
The Results: 18C Idle
Ran AMD Overdrive to see what it would let the CPU clock to, as the prior limit was 3.4Ghz. Much to my surprise, it went all the way up to 3.6Ghz, which I thought was pretty good for "software overclocking", and so I ran a temp check to see how it fared at this new speed....
Results: 19C Idle and 51C Load using Intel Burn-In Test (45C with P95)!! Very impressive, to me, for a CPU running a sh**ty OEM Heatsink with minimal case cooling!
Also, the Northbridge temp was down to ~1-3C above Ambient, and the IGP temps dropped by 33-45%!

I also added 2 2GB DIMMs of Samsung DDR3-1333, bumping total capacity up to 12GB. The reason I added the extra memory is for a full-4GB RAM-disk courtesy of DataRAM software, and using it to hold Temp/TMP files, Mozilla cache, Chrome cache, and the like, while still leaving plenty of room for temporary project holding for photo editing (via GIMP). The RAMdisk is absolutely awesome, noticed a significant speed-up in the aforementioned applications.
This is until I can get a decent Solid State Drive in there, probably something like the Kingston SSDNow! cache drive as I know she doesn't want to have to spend a lot of time worrying about "what files go where", and even after adding a SSD it will reduce some writes while maintaining a very high speed.


Anyway, this is all just until we can get everything moved into a more "suitable" home....

Now, she absolutely LOVES the BitFenix Prodigy case although there are a few cases she likes that can house a full-ATX motherboard. Unfortunately, I am VERY "out of the loop" when it comes to what the good AM3+ MB's are for the money, with the only ones that look at all familiar to me being the Sabertooth 990FX and the Crosshair IV/Crosshair V series, both of which are rather pricey.
The motherboard doesn't need to have anything like 4-way SLI/CFX capabilities or the like, although it WILL have at least one Discrete GPU and likely a TV Tuner Card and Sound Card all added, as she doesn't have Cable/Satellite so her PC is her entertainment source courtesy of NetFlix/HULU/etc.
Also, being that she is working on a Master's in Nursing, she is very interested in Folding@Home thumb.gif That means I will be adding AT LEAST ONE DECENT GPU to serve a dual-purpose, for entertainment/hardware-acceleration in Photoshop et al/light gaming AND running F@H 24/7. I was thinking something like a GTX470 or, if I can get one for a decent price, a 570 for the cooler temps.

Lastly, the motherboard needs to be a good overclocker as well as capable of unlocking extra cores, as it would be very nice to run it as a 6-core for Folding while running it as a higher-clocked 4-core for everything else. I don't want to worry about excessive VRM heat or anything, so the cheap 4+1stage boards are a "NO".
Oh, and eventually this 960T will be removed and replaced by whatever the absolute best of the last chips for the AM3+ socket happens to be, but that's a few years ahead.

Any advice regarding the motherboard?

So basically, over the next year or so, it will be getting the following:
(Note: "*" means I already have it, just haven't/can't install it yet)
- AM3(+) Motherboard with Core-Unlocking and Good Overclocking
- Better Case with *good cooling (ideally 3-4x 120/140 intake and 2-4x 120/140 exhaust; prefer more quiet fans to fewer powerful fans in this instance)
- *Stronger PSU (I have a 650W unit that will do perfectly for single-GPU setup)
- Sound Card (Asus Xonar DG likely, or Creative X-Fi Titanium if can be sourced for cheap)
- *Better GPU (currently has an HD3450 that I threw in there just to have something better than onboard-graphics; new GPU for F@H; might be getting her brother's EVGA GTX580 for super-cheap and if not then his 560Ti)
- TV Capture Card (nothing fancy, just something to allow the PC to act as a DVR for her)
- Upgraded CPU Heatsink (212+EVO on the low-end; might get a Thor's Hammer HSF for $12 BNIB; considering a down-draft HSF like the Gemini II; also may get a 1yr-old Thermalright HSF from her brother for free, not sure what model but it's a dual-tower and he is running 3x TY143 fans on it currently to cool his 3770K)
- *2x 7200rpm 320GB Hard Drives (WD Blue or Hitachi Deskstar; then can use the WD 1.5TB as a storage-only drive)
- *1x 128-256GB Solid State Drive (her dad is in IT and has an extra Crucial M4, not sure the size; this would be OS/Apps)
- *8-16GB DDR3-1600 RAM (2-4x 4GB DIMMs; from her brother, they are either Kingston HyperX 1600 9-9-9-24 or Mushkin Redline 1600 6-8-6-18, 16GB of the former and 8GB of the latter)

Basically, taking everything "GOOD" that came with this PC and then making it into something "AWESOME"! Seeing as half of the parts are already available for super-cheap or free from myself/family, the rest is a minimal cost to get it all together. PLUS, FOLDING IS GOOD (and she'd be folding for OCN!)!!!

Just wanna know what else I should do between now and then...?

And what motherboards to look at, keeping the budget reasonable (the ABSOLUTE MOST I'd be willing to spend would end up being on a Sabertooth 990FX; would prefer something less costly though)....


THANKS!
   
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post #2222 of 2790
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Originally Posted by nleksan View Post

Hey everyone, been reading through the thread and WOW! TONS of info!
................... Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I do have a few questions that I hope some of you may be able to help me with, but first a little background:
Early '12, we got my girlfriend a new PC and managed to get a SWEET deal on an HP Pavilion p7-1074 (I think?), just $280 BNIB. The reason for grabbing this particular PC was the fact that it had 8GB of Samsung DDR3-1333, a 1.5TB WD HDD, a Blu-Ray Reader/DVD-Burner, and of course the piece de resistance, an AMD Phenom II X4 960T. I knew a bit about the processor at the time, enough to know that it was well worth the buy, even as a prebuilt (and, despite being a pre-built, it is a dang good machine for the money!). We bought it knowing that, at some point in the future, it would be upgraded to take advantage of the awesome processor contained within, and in the meantime it would serve as a reliable, fast, and efficient PC (my latest builds have all been Intel, but I have a huge soft-spot for AMD as my first build was with an Athlon64 FX-51, a system I still have to this day!).
The other day, I noticed it was running a bit warm (24-28C Idle in 14C Ambient), compared to the usual running temp, so I decided to pull it apart and re-apply the TIM on the CPU/HSF as well as the NB Heatsink. I pulled of the OEM HSF, scraped off the junk they call Thermal Paste, and replaced it with some Prolimatech PK-1, and then did the same for the Northbridge/IGP heatsinks. The fan installed was an 80x25 0.41amp pretty-decent fan, but I swapped it for a Delta 80x25mm 0.61amp 68-74cfm fan and used a gutted Masscool 80x25 fan shroud between the fan and the heatsink to make it both quieter and more effective (cut out two perfect-sized chunks of mouse-pad material and then trimmed them down, to use between the shroud/HSF and then fan/shroud to prevent air leaks and reduce vibration). I also swapped the, currently ONLY, system fan from intake to exhaust (it is in the rear of the case) as I will be taking a Dremel to the case to add a front 120mm intake and possible a bottom 80/92/120 intake in the next couple of days. In the meantime, the front panel cover is off the HP case and there is a "Vornado 8inch High-Pressure" Fan blowing air into the front of the computer.
The Results: 18C Idle
Ran AMD Overdrive to see what it would let the CPU clock to, as the prior limit was 3.4Ghz. Much to my surprise, it went all the way up to 3.6Ghz, which I thought was pretty good for "software overclocking", and so I ran a temp check to see how it fared at this new speed....
Results: 19C Idle and 51C Load using Intel Burn-In Test (45C with P95)!! Very impressive, to me, for a CPU running a sh**ty OEM Heatsink with minimal case cooling!
Also, the Northbridge temp was down to ~1-3C above Ambient, and the IGP temps dropped by 33-45%!
I also added 2 2GB DIMMs of Samsung DDR3-1333, bumping total capacity up to 12GB. The reason I added the extra memory is for a full-4GB RAM-disk courtesy of DataRAM software, and using it to hold Temp/TMP files, Mozilla cache, Chrome cache, and the like, while still leaving plenty of room for temporary project holding for photo editing (via GIMP). The RAMdisk is absolutely awesome, noticed a significant speed-up in the aforementioned applications.
This is until I can get a decent Solid State Drive in there, probably something like the Kingston SSDNow! cache drive as I know she doesn't want to have to spend a lot of time worrying about "what files go where", and even after adding a SSD it will reduce some writes while maintaining a very high speed.
Anyway, this is all just until we can get everything moved into a more "suitable" home....
Now, she absolutely LOVES the BitFenix Prodigy case although there are a few cases she likes that can house a full-ATX motherboard. Unfortunately, I am VERY "out of the loop" when it comes to what the good AM3+ MB's are for the money, with the only ones that look at all familiar to me being the Sabertooth 990FX and the Crosshair IV/Crosshair V series, both of which are rather pricey.
The motherboard doesn't need to have anything like 4-way SLI/CFX capabilities or the like, although it WILL have at least one Discrete GPU and likely a TV Tuner Card and Sound Card all added, as she doesn't have Cable/Satellite so her PC is her entertainment source courtesy of NetFlix/HULU/etc.
Also, being that she is working on a Master's in Nursing, she is very interested in Folding@Home thumb.gif That means I will be adding AT LEAST ONE DECENT GPU to serve a dual-purpose, for entertainment/hardware-acceleration in Photoshop et al/light gaming AND running F@H 24/7. I was thinking something like a GTX470 or, if I can get one for a decent price, a 570 for the cooler temps.
Lastly, the motherboard needs to be a good overclocker as well as capable of unlocking extra cores, as it would be very nice to run it as a 6-core for Folding while running it as a higher-clocked 4-core for everything else. I don't want to worry about excessive VRM heat or anything, so the cheap 4+1stage boards are a "NO".
Oh, and eventually this 960T will be removed and replaced by whatever the absolute best of the last chips for the AM3+ socket happens to be, but that's a few years ahead.
Any advice regarding the motherboard?
So basically, over the next year or so, it will be getting the following:
(Note: "*" means I already have it, just haven't/can't install it yet)
- AM3(+) Motherboard with Core-Unlocking and Good Overclocking
- Better Case with *good cooling (ideally 3-4x 120/140 intake and 2-4x 120/140 exhaust; prefer more quiet fans to fewer powerful fans in this instance)
- *Stronger PSU (I have a 650W unit that will do perfectly for single-GPU setup)
- Sound Card (Asus Xonar DG likely, or Creative X-Fi Titanium if can be sourced for cheap)
- *Better GPU (currently has an HD3450 that I threw in there just to have something better than onboard-graphics; new GPU for F@H; might be getting her brother's EVGA GTX580 for super-cheap and if not then his 560Ti)
- TV Capture Card (nothing fancy, just something to allow the PC to act as a DVR for her)
- Upgraded CPU Heatsink (212+EVO on the low-end; might get a Thor's Hammer HSF for $12 BNIB; considering a down-draft HSF like the Gemini II; also may get a 1yr-old Thermalright HSF from her brother for free, not sure what model but it's a dual-tower and he is running 3x TY143 fans on it currently to cool his 3770K)
- *2x 7200rpm 320GB Hard Drives (WD Blue or Hitachi Deskstar; then can use the WD 1.5TB as a storage-only drive)
- *1x 128-256GB Solid State Drive (her dad is in IT and has an extra Crucial M4, not sure the size; this would be OS/Apps)
- *8-16GB DDR3-1600 RAM (2-4x 4GB DIMMs; from her brother, they are either Kingston HyperX 1600 9-9-9-24 or Mushkin Redline 1600 6-8-6-18, 16GB of the former and 8GB of the latter)
Basically, taking everything "GOOD" that came with this PC and then making it into something "AWESOME"! Seeing as half of the parts are already available for super-cheap or free from myself/family, the rest is a minimal cost to get it all together. PLUS, FOLDING IS GOOD (and she'd be folding for OCN!)!!!
Just wanna know what else I should do between now and then...?
And what motherboards to look at, keeping the budget reasonable (the ABSOLUTE MOST I'd be willing to spend would end up being on a Sabertooth 990FX; would prefer something less costly though)........
..................THANKS!

As for a cheaper motherboard but still very decent.....
Gigabyte 970A-UD3 as well as .....Gigabyte 990XA-UD3

They do UD5 and UD7 as well, but considering you want a cheaper option the UD3 board should suffice smile.gif
Edited by Mathius - 12/29/12 at 5:52pm
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post #2223 of 2790
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Originally Posted by nleksan View Post

Hey everyone, been reading through the thread and WOW! TONS of info!
I do have a few questions that I hope some of you may be able to help me with, but first a little background:
Early '12, we got my girlfriend a new PC and managed to get a SWEET deal on an HP Pavilion p7-1074 (I think?), just $280 BNIB. The reason for grabbing this particular PC was the fact that it had 8GB of Samsung DDR3-1333, a 1.5TB WD HDD, a Blu-Ray Reader/DVD-Burner, and of course the piece de resistance, an AMD Phenom II X4 960T. I knew a bit about the processor at the time, enough to know that it was well worth the buy, even as a prebuilt (and, despite being a pre-built, it is a dang good machine for the money!). We bought it knowing that, at some point in the future, it would be upgraded to take advantage of the awesome processor contained within, and in the meantime it would serve as a reliable, fast, and efficient PC (my latest builds have all been Intel, but I have a huge soft-spot for AMD as my first build was with an Athlon64 FX-51, a system I still have to this day!).
The other day, I noticed it was running a bit warm (24-28C Idle in 14C Ambient), compared to the usual running temp, so I decided to pull it apart and re-apply the TIM on the CPU/HSF as well as the NB Heatsink. I pulled of the OEM HSF, scraped off the junk they call Thermal Paste, and replaced it with some Prolimatech PK-1, and then did the same for the Northbridge/IGP heatsinks. The fan installed was an 80x25 0.41amp pretty-decent fan, but I swapped it for a Delta 80x25mm 0.61amp 68-74cfm fan and used a gutted Masscool 80x25 fan shroud between the fan and the heatsink to make it both quieter and more effective (cut out two perfect-sized chunks of mouse-pad material and then trimmed them down, to use between the shroud/HSF and then fan/shroud to prevent air leaks and reduce vibration). I also swapped the, currently ONLY, system fan from intake to exhaust (it is in the rear of the case) as I will be taking a Dremel to the case to add a front 120mm intake and possible a bottom 80/92/120 intake in the next couple of days. In the meantime, the front panel cover is off the HP case and there is a "Vornado 8inch High-Pressure" Fan blowing air into the front of the computer.
The Results: 18C Idle
Ran AMD Overdrive to see what it would let the CPU clock to, as the prior limit was 3.4Ghz. Much to my surprise, it went all the way up to 3.6Ghz, which I thought was pretty good for "software overclocking", and so I ran a temp check to see how it fared at this new speed....
Results: 19C Idle and 51C Load using Intel Burn-In Test (45C with P95)!! Very impressive, to me, for a CPU running a sh**ty OEM Heatsink with minimal case cooling!
Also, the Northbridge temp was down to ~1-3C above Ambient, and the IGP temps dropped by 33-45%!
I also added 2 2GB DIMMs of Samsung DDR3-1333, bumping total capacity up to 12GB. The reason I added the extra memory is for a full-4GB RAM-disk courtesy of DataRAM software, and using it to hold Temp/TMP files, Mozilla cache, Chrome cache, and the like, while still leaving plenty of room for temporary project holding for photo editing (via GIMP). The RAMdisk is absolutely awesome, noticed a significant speed-up in the aforementioned applications.
This is until I can get a decent Solid State Drive in there, probably something like the Kingston SSDNow! cache drive as I know she doesn't want to have to spend a lot of time worrying about "what files go where", and even after adding a SSD it will reduce some writes while maintaining a very high speed.
Anyway, this is all just until we can get everything moved into a more "suitable" home....
Now, she absolutely LOVES the BitFenix Prodigy case although there are a few cases she likes that can house a full-ATX motherboard. Unfortunately, I am VERY "out of the loop" when it comes to what the good AM3+ MB's are for the money, with the only ones that look at all familiar to me being the Sabertooth 990FX and the Crosshair IV/Crosshair V series, both of which are rather pricey.
The motherboard doesn't need to have anything like 4-way SLI/CFX capabilities or the like, although it WILL have at least one Discrete GPU and likely a TV Tuner Card and Sound Card all added, as she doesn't have Cable/Satellite so her PC is her entertainment source courtesy of NetFlix/HULU/etc.
Also, being that she is working on a Master's in Nursing, she is very interested in Folding@Home thumb.gif That means I will be adding AT LEAST ONE DECENT GPU to serve a dual-purpose, for entertainment/hardware-acceleration in Photoshop et al/light gaming AND running F@H 24/7. I was thinking something like a GTX470 or, if I can get one for a decent price, a 570 for the cooler temps.
Lastly, the motherboard needs to be a good overclocker as well as capable of unlocking extra cores, as it would be very nice to run it as a 6-core for Folding while running it as a higher-clocked 4-core for everything else. I don't want to worry about excessive VRM heat or anything, so the cheap 4+1stage boards are a "NO".
Oh, and eventually this 960T will be removed and replaced by whatever the absolute best of the last chips for the AM3+ socket happens to be, but that's a few years ahead.
Any advice regarding the motherboard?
So basically, over the next year or so, it will be getting the following:
(Note: "*" means I already have it, just haven't/can't install it yet)
- AM3(+) Motherboard with Core-Unlocking and Good Overclocking
- Better Case with *good cooling (ideally 3-4x 120/140 intake and 2-4x 120/140 exhaust; prefer more quiet fans to fewer powerful fans in this instance)
- *Stronger PSU (I have a 650W unit that will do perfectly for single-GPU setup)
- Sound Card (Asus Xonar DG likely, or Creative X-Fi Titanium if can be sourced for cheap)
- *Better GPU (currently has an HD3450 that I threw in there just to have something better than onboard-graphics; new GPU for F@H; might be getting her brother's EVGA GTX580 for super-cheap and if not then his 560Ti)
- TV Capture Card (nothing fancy, just something to allow the PC to act as a DVR for her)
- Upgraded CPU Heatsink (212+EVO on the low-end; might get a Thor's Hammer HSF for $12 BNIB; considering a down-draft HSF like the Gemini II; also may get a 1yr-old Thermalright HSF from her brother for free, not sure what model but it's a dual-tower and he is running 3x TY143 fans on it currently to cool his 3770K)
- *2x 7200rpm 320GB Hard Drives (WD Blue or Hitachi Deskstar; then can use the WD 1.5TB as a storage-only drive)
- *1x 128-256GB Solid State Drive (her dad is in IT and has an extra Crucial M4, not sure the size; this would be OS/Apps)
- *8-16GB DDR3-1600 RAM (2-4x 4GB DIMMs; from her brother, they are either Kingston HyperX 1600 9-9-9-24 or Mushkin Redline 1600 6-8-6-18, 16GB of the former and 8GB of the latter)
Basically, taking everything "GOOD" that came with this PC and then making it into something "AWESOME"! Seeing as half of the parts are already available for super-cheap or free from myself/family, the rest is a minimal cost to get it all together. PLUS, FOLDING IS GOOD (and she'd be folding for OCN!)!!!
Just wanna know what else I should do between now and then...?
And what motherboards to look at, keeping the budget reasonable (the ABSOLUTE MOST I'd be willing to spend would end up being on a Sabertooth 990FX; would prefer something less costly though)....
THANKS!



I am an ASUS fan by choice... I have 3 ASUS MoBo's in service,One is an old M3A78-EM with a 965BE on it Running 1066DDR2,Still very rock solid for what it is used for...No issues at all. I would get the Sabertooth 990FX, Prices will drop...Anything with that chipset should be decent.You'll want a board that does not have a lot of vDroop if you plan on Overclocking for fun!Research boards that do not have the vDroop issue,For the price the 212+EVO is a great cooler,2fans? not that great of a difference...Besides the second fan just draws more power.(rice not included) GPU? The 560ti is great for a Freebie,I am running one now but I am also a light gamer so GPU power is not a high priority.Your memory is great and that SSD is the only way to go as far as everyday noticeable difference.I like the Samsung SSD's the best.If you get the sabertooth, you can upgrade the cpu to the latest and greatest AMD offerings.I am certain there are other MoBo manufacturers that make rock solid products...For me ASUS has been great.I hit the power button and they work every time.smile.gif
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Serker, i am very impressed with not just the 960T but all thubans. but i think amd has come up with something better with the vishera. i am looking forward for steamroller.
btw, in case you don't know, our chip only needs 4.5GHz to reach 8 in cinebench. pretty powerful. if only it can do 5GHz.

I purchased Vishera... WOW! Perhaps Steamroller will be better???But for now the $189.00 plus tax was well worth it.Still love my 960T...It has just moved to an older MoBo and that is fine...I will start OC'ing it on that board.Will post results later.biggrin.gif
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I am an ASUS fan by choice... I have 3 ASUS MoBo's in service,One is an old M3A78-EM with a 965BE on it Running 1066DDR2,Still very rock solid for what it is used for...No issues at all. I would get the Sabertooth 990FX, Prices will drop...Anything with that chipset should be decent.You'll want a board that does not have a lot of vDroop if you plan on Overclocking for fun!Research boards that do not have the vDroop issue,For the price the 212+EVO is a great cooler,2fans? not that great of a difference...Besides the second fan just draws more power.(rice not included) GPU? The 560ti is great for a Freebie,I am running one now but I am also a light gamer so GPU power is not a high priority.Your memory is great and that SSD is the only way to go as far as everyday noticeable difference.I like the Samsung SSD's the best.If you get the sabertooth, you can upgrade the cpu to the latest and greatest AMD offerings.I am certain there are other MoBo manufacturers that make rock solid products...For me ASUS has been great.I hit the power button and they work every time.smile.gif
^^^ This , especially if you plan on upgrading in the furure to an fx. Sabertooths and Crosshairs have been found to be some of the best overclockers for the newer fx chips, as well as, any AMD chips right now. The bios is incredibly diverse and their software is top notch. If you're gonna oc, you need a board that is cabable and isn't going to flake out.
    
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Wow, thanks so much and +REP to you very helpful people!!!

I guess I will be saving up for the Sabertooth 990FX! As far as SSD's go, I have a 256GB Samsung 830 myself (Boot/OS/Apps) in my 3930K/RIVE build ("Cogito Ergo Switch" in sig) and I absolutely love it, best SSD I've ever used! Unfortunately, the 830's are getting a bit hard to find now that the 840's have flooded the market.

For GPU's, I just want something that will make Photoshop noticeably faster AND will crank some decent numbers in F@H while still being able to be SLI'd. The only thing that worries me about the 4xx series is the heat, but that can always be managed....

As for overclocking, I absolutely will be lol!!! I may step it up to a Silver Arrow SB-E/Extreme just to have a little extra thermal headroom, as I am not used to chips that have a MAX of 61-65C (I'm used to chips that RUN at 60-65C!), so better safe than sorry. Throw on the 3 TY-143 fans, and heat should be a non-issue.

Thanks for all the help!!!
   
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Hi.My name is Mateusz and I'm from Poland.I have X4 960T unlocked to X6 1600T 4GHz ( OC ) smile.gif

PS. Sorry for my english wink.gif
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My 960T would run @ 1.01v (give or take .05v) as an unlocked x6 at stock clocks / voltage.
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TDP in HWMonitor and CPU-Z it's a bull****.

What's the max vcore for X4 960T / X6 1600T? 1.55V?
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I purchased Vishera... WOW! Perhaps Steamroller will be better???But for now the $189.00 plus tax was well worth it.Still love my 960T...It has just moved to an older MoBo and that is fine...I will start OC'ing it on that board.Will post results later.biggrin.gif

i am jelly. standing by for your results.thumb.gif

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Hi.My name is Mateusz and I'm from Poland.I have X4 960T unlocked to X6 1600T 4GHz ( OC ) smile.gif
PS. Sorry for my english wink.gif

your oc is good but not as good as your oc in your rams.smile.gif
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