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Im using ai suite to overclock inside of windows, it allows overclocking on single cores for example ive got 4000mhz on the first 4 cores and the other 2 at 3600mhz. Seems to be stable at 1.46v. where as 4000mhz on all 6 would require 1.50v+. Its a shame this isnt included in the bios.
1.46 is quite high for 4ghz. Have you tried lowering incrementally until unstable and then bumping back up one increment. Also app ocing tools usually cause some instability. Bios ocing is where it's at.
    
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1.46 is quite high for 4ghz. Have you tried lowering incrementally until unstable and then bumping back up one increment. Also app ocing tools usually cause some instability. Bios ocing is where it's at.

My 960t hates x6 at 4ghz to be completely stable it needs over 1.50v, And i agree with you on bios overclocks, but AI suite has yet to let me down on windows 7 (windows 8 has some issues) i only really use it to "tweak" my overclock.
    
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Im using ai suite to overclock inside of windows, it allows overclocking on single cores for example ive got 4000mhz on the first 4 cores and the other 2 at 3600mhz. Seems to be stable at 1.46v. where as 4000mhz on all 6 would require 1.50v+. Its a shame this isnt included in the bios.
1.46 is quite high for 4ghz. Have you tried lowering incrementally until unstable and then bumping back up one increment. Also app ocing tools usually cause some instability. Bios ocing is where it's at.

When you change a setting in windows you are only changing that and anything tied to it. No auto settings change from that change. So especially if you are changing the FSB there are going to be voltages and timings that are different than if you had done that OC from the BIOS.

Other than that reason above OCing in Windows is not less stable. If you set every single setting on your motherboard to manual then change then that is the only way that changing it in the bios is the same as changing it in windows.

That's why I recommend that people who are trying to find max FSB using something like ASUS AISuite should restart and save the most recent stable speed every 10MHz or so to make sure they don't end up with timings that are too tight or voltages that would have been automatically increased by the bios etc.

Other than that though... there really isn't any reason why OCing the bios can be more reliable than OCing in Windows.
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I would be a little concerned about your difficulties getting the voltage to change. I have never heard of this situation 4.0GHz is a good achievement. For some people to have great overclocking chips means that others have to have poor or average chips. I would say you are probably above average on that.

You can enable Turbo mode and I have proven that it works and is stable. I ran my 960 in x6 mode at 3.9GHz and 4.1GHz turbo. You can run single or dual threaded linx or IBT runs with turbo on and off to see that you will have better times with turbo enabled. AMD Overdrive can help tweak turbo settings but I found with offset mode used for over-clocking that I had no issues with turbo mode. You can also use TMonitor from the same people who make CPU-z to monitor when the CPU goes in and out of turbo mode.

After a reset of the BIOS if you can not get the voltage to change then I would start looking into an RMA.

Good luck and let us know how your travels go.

Too late for an RMA unfortunately. Clearing the BIOS did not help. Voltage stays at 1.386, it sometimes goes up to 1.45 but I'm not sure which setting makes it go high during load (spread spectrum, LLC, etc). Should've gotten another board, since I was perfectly able to change voltages with my old Gigabyte board. I'll try giving Turbo mode, although I don't see much future in that.

I was able to get 4.1GHz on cores 0,1,2,3 and 3.9GHz on 4 and 5. That's as much as I've been able to get.

I'm wondering how much I would benefit from upgrading to a 8350. Looking at the GPU usage graphs, I noticed this CPU bottlenecks my 7850 in BF3 (64p servers) and FarCry 3.
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Guys how does this CPU behaves in SW:TOR with 5770 tandem?
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My 960t hates x6 at 4ghz to be completely stable it needs over 1.50v, And i agree with you on bios overclocks, but AI suite has yet to let me down on windows 7 (windows 8 has some issues) i only really use it to "tweak" my overclock.
AI Suite definately has it's place and I have used apps like it in the past to help find some limits.

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When you change a setting in windows you are only changing that and anything tied to it. No auto settings change from that change. So especially if you are changing the FSB there are going to be voltages and timings that are different than if you had done that OC from the BIOS.

Other than that reason above OCing in Windows is not less stable. If you set every single setting on your motherboard to manual then change then that is the only way that changing it in the bios is the same as changing it in windows.

That's why I recommend that people who are trying to find max FSB using something like ASUS AISuite should restart and save the most recent stable speed every 10MHz or so to make sure they don't end up with timings that are too tight or voltages that would have been automatically increased by the bios etc.

Other than that though... there really isn't any reason why OCing the bios can be more reliable than OCing in Windows.
Limits. App overclocking has limits. Bios oc'ing has a lot more settings to help stabilize and tweak overclocks. There are a lot of people that would argue that AI Suite does cause instability issues in some settings. Greater range of control is my point. Bios is directly tied to board and apps are reliant on os, hdd, ram, ect. to run properly.
    
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I am not arguing or having this conversation about BIOS vs Windows OCing. If you don't think it is a good idea to do it then don't do it. But honestly if someone else wants to do it then don't get in the way with silly comments like that.

There are actually things you can do in software that you can't even get through the bios. Setting turbo voltages or how many cores to use in turbo mode is not an option through the BIOS mode. All of the voltages you can change in the bios are able to be changed in AI Suite.

AI Suite is not less stable than OCing in the bios that is just silly... The only issue really in AI Suite is that any values that are set to auto may not automatically change in the same way that they would have after changing certain settings in the bios. The settings that would have caused a change in the bios are very limited.

The most important change would be that when you up the FSB in the bios if everything besides voltage is on auto the bios will automatically change some of the values. It will not do this while you are in windows. So the way to take care of that... is set your memory to loose timings and a slower speed and lock the settings. Your goal is to set it to whatever multi that if you hit the FSB you are shooting for that the ram will be at its rated speed and timings.

As for the rest of the auto settings... they are not really a big deal. If the PC locks up then set whatever the most recent FSB was and reboot into windows and see if you can move forward more with the FSB...

If you want to take your sweet time making a small change then rebooting making a small change then rebooting then be my guest just don't spread false rumors about one being more stable than the other because that will cause some people to worry about using the software solution which can save them a lot of time.
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I've found that software overclocking is only rarely a stable process. If you happen to be blessed with a mobo/software combo that doesn't lock or crash when tweaking, I guess have at it. I OC on a regular basis and have found software tools to be useful only in a short-term situation. There are too many variables that you can't change in software, most are just transferred to BIOS anyway if they are permanent, and any that aren't transferred to BIOS are applied at startup which I don't like.
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I am not arguing or having this conversation about BIOS vs Windows OCing. If you don't think it is a good idea to do it then don't do it. But honestly if someone else wants to do it then don't get in the way with silly comments like that.

There are actually things you can do in software that you can't even get through the bios. Setting turbo voltages or how many cores to use in turbo mode is not an option through the BIOS mode. All of the voltages you can change in the bios are able to be changed in AI Suite.

AI Suite is not less stable than OCing in the bios that is just silly... The only issue really in AI Suite is that any values that are set to auto may not automatically change in the same way that they would have after changing certain settings in the bios. The settings that would have caused a change in the bios are very limited.

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As for the rest of the auto settings... they are not really a big deal. If the PC locks up then set whatever the most recent FSB was and reboot into windows and see if you can move forward more with the FSB...

If you want to take your sweet time making a small change then rebooting making a small change then rebooting then be my guest just don't spread false rumors about one being more stable than the other because that will cause some people to worry about using the software solution which can save them a lot of time.
Hardly false rumors as 2thAche points out. Read around a little and you'll see majority of vets, such as 2thAche, would agree.I guess all of them are just plain silly! tongue.gif I agreed it is useful in some situations, short term. And bios options vary with motherboard, so saying AI suite offers more oc'ing options is only based on bios' that you have experience with. And if you weren't interested in the conversation, you shouldn't have posted a response. Obviously you couldn't possibly be wrong. rolleyes.gif
    
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hello, just want to share my results in BF3 Noshahr Canal 64-man server with my Zosma at 4GHz Unlocked and the 7970 at stock. Man, this rig is so smooth! Setting is 1080 Ultra and 4MSAA.



now, if i can only figure out how to make the keycode for c3 work in steam, then i'll share my results as well. i plan on playing that using High settings with 4msaa on both my Cheap Grade and my Second Intel Build.
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