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@&^%27*#%^@49)!^#*@-NB.
for the life of me, i cant run the NB past 2200.
as soon as i set it to 2400-no boot.
upped the volts to 1.25-no boot. i have everything else set to default, except the stuff i turn off.
this is why i dont just use the multi to oc, well not for the most part.
i have the ram timings loose, so i have no idea why i cant raise the NB.
no worries, i get good stable overclocks the long way-lol
-dimwit-
@ozzy983 it seems my system might be one of those, but i am still pushing it.
this is the only system i have so i dont want to push it too hard and break something-lol

Weird man. My NB is at 3k ^^ My BIOS right now is:
200x18.5 @1.3750, HTLink 2400 Mhz @1.2V, NB 3000 Mhz @1.75V, DRAM 9-9-9-24-2T @1.5V
and it's worked through 1 hour 10 mins of Prime95 blend test. Granted my RAM is running at 400Mhz apparently but I believe its double that (right?) so it's just the normal 800Mhz.
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2256323
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@Catscratch
I occasionally use my RAM as a RAMdisk and put the multiplayer maps of Modern Warfare 3 on there instead of my SSD. I've seen significant improvement in loading times thanks to that ^^ as well as having a great internet connection I am usually host in most games and have seen load times of 5s sometimes!!
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Weird man. My NB is at 3k ^^ My BIOS right now is 200x18.5 @1.3750, HTLink 2400 Mhz @1.2V, NB 3000 Mhz @1.75V, DRAM 9-9-9-24-2T @1.5V and it's worked through 1 hour 10 mins of Prime95 blend test. Granted my RAM is running at 400Mhz apparently but I believe its double that (right?) so it's just the normal 800Mhz.

you are correct, your ram is running at double of what it says.

i dont have a problem when it goes above 2200MHz when i oc via bus, i had it at 2600 with my quad and 2550 with the hex.
it is just when i try to raise it manually-go figure.
well, i am done for the day, got me some grub cooking-

450

450

will try tomorrow, but i have to go to work 4-6 hours first.


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you are correct, your ram is running at double of what it says.
i dont have a problem when it goes above 2200MHz when i oc via bus, i had it at 2600 with my quad and 2550 with the hex.
it is just when i try to raise it manually-go figure.
well, i am done for the day, got me some grub cooking-
450
450
will try tomorrow, but i have to go to work 4-6 hours first.
-dimwit-

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Weird man. My NB is at 3k ^^ My BIOS right now is:
200x18.5 @1.3750, HTLink 2400 Mhz @1.2V, NB 3000 Mhz @1.75V, DRAM 9-9-9-24-2T @1.5V
and it's worked through 1 hour 10 mins of Prime95 blend test. Granted my RAM is running at 400Mhz apparently but I believe its double that (right?) so it's just the normal 800Mhz.
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2256323
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@Catscratch
I occasionally use my RAM as a RAMdisk and put the multiplayer maps of Modern Warfare 3 on there instead of my SSD. I've seen significant improvement in loading times thanks to that ^^ as well as having a great internet connection I am usually host in most games and have seen load times of 5s sometimes!!

Yeah ram is running @ 800mhz, but the timings are still that of 1333 or higher ram; you can significantly lower them.

If you look back at my benchmarks on the previous page, you'll see my memory benchmark @ 1000 mhz, which is better than most @ 1333. It's all about how you tweak the system, and the quality of the components.

Now you've gone and made me hungry. smile.gif One of the things i love to do while overclocking and testing is read the forums. I get my coffee and sit and relax.

I've been a bad boy too with my recent overclocking endeavors; I haven't properly tested them to ensure stability across the massive changes I've made. I've went on a lot of assumptions. Now, it's time to get back into it.

I'm working on the HTT right now. 250 seems stable, even with the NB and HTL running at 2500mhz. No voltage increase necessary. I know it needs one for 2600, least i thought it did, but who knows, lol. Past 9.5 hours of prime custom blend with 3.0gbs of ram allocated. Decent stability.

As for AMD overdrive it's one of the best utilities out there for "on the fly" changes. I usually make 3 or 4 changes, if it's good, set em up in the bios.

The problem with some motherboards is: it can't read the voltages properly, so just make sure when you increase the vcore through the bios and then overdrive later on with more changes that the voltage adds up right, OR you'll end up with a massive overvolt. smile.gif

My motherboard is too old to read it right. Older versions seemed to detect it better than the new ones. Ram voltaage is scaled for ddr3, not 2, so it says 1.65vs, it's actually running 1.95. oh well, what can you do.

Sadly, I've had people make offers on this board from this site and the processor because it's a full 6 core unlock. I hate to part with working tech, especially good working tech. Even if i do upgrade the board, i'll probably put it in a secondary system which would be great when benching/stressing this one.
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Don't bother with rams, use them on stock or whatever setting you are stable. You'll only notice performance on CPU and CPU-NB overclocks. So don't bother on ram timings and htt link speed. Someone mentioned that max stable changes with overclocking different things, well that's the definition of overclocking. Nothing is guaranteed so cpu and cpu-nb might not play along well. Keep in mind, putting more voltage on cpu-nb further stresses VRMs so your cpu vdroop might be bigger, or vdroop of CPU-NB which you can't see. Hmm I wonder if AMD Overdrive shows cpu-nb voltage. I don't remember.

I agree. The only setting you will feel a difference for is Command Rate at 1T, if the memory can handle it. Aside from that, even cas from 4 to 7 is barely noticeable outside of a arbitrary benchmark score.

Even with overclocking the CPUNB, it's best to take it incrementally. Even at 4.2ghz, the gains from 3.0 and 3.2 are minimal, and not worth the voltage. Only bragging rights. The gains from 2.6 and 2.8 are much larger, point for point, then anything else.
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you are correct, your ram is running at double of what it says.
i dont have a problem when it goes above 2200MHz when i oc via bus, i had it at 2600 with my quad and 2550 with the hex.
it is just when i try to raise it manually-go figure.
well, i am done for the day, got me some grub cooking-
450
450
will try tomorrow, but i have to go to work 4-6 hours first.
-dimwit-

For some reason, that doesn't surprise me, honestly. My gigabyte was like that with my old 7750 kuma. If I raised the HTT and left NB/HTL at auto the system would be great and post everytime up to 240mhz. If I tried to manually adjust the multipliers past 2.2ghz, it would not post "sometimes" and would be slower than 1.8ghz. smile.gif
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I agree. The only setting you will feel a difference for is Command Rate at 1T, if the memory can handle it. Aside from that, even cas from 4 to 7 is barely noticeable outside of a arbitrary benchmark score.
Even with overclocking the CPUNB, it's best to take it incrementally. Even at 4.2ghz, the gains from 3.0 and 3.2 are minimal, and not worth the voltage. Only bragging rights. The gains from 2.6 and 2.8 are much larger, point for point, then anything else.

So my 9-9-9-24-2T won't see much improvement if I lower it? Though I should set it to 1T instead of 2 right?
As far as my other settings go...I guess just seeing higher numbers makes it feel faster ^^ Other than that I've lowered my voltage some more to 1.38 instead of 1.4V for 3.7Ghz.
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So my 9-9-9-24-2T won't see much improvement if I lower it? Though I should set it to 1T instead of 2 right?
As far as my other settings go...I guess just seeing higher numbers makes it feel faster ^^ Other than that I've lowered my voltage some more to 1.38 instead of 1.4V for 3.7Ghz.

If you are running it @ 400 mhz (800mhz effective), then you can set them as low as 4-4-4-12-16, and it should work fine. Might work with 1t as well, not surprised if it does,

You will see a difference when you're talking about latency.

You won't, however, if you are talking about the frequency the ram is running at. As I pointed out, my ram runs faster than most 1333 ram, and it's less than 1066 while those screens were taken. Now, others can probably push there 1333 harder and get the same results, but YMMV.

The only time frequency really makes a difference is when you have an IGP; since most usually run a 3rd party graphics those situations are few and far between.

Truthfully, I didn't even know ddr3 went that low, I thought the lowest was 1066. I guess not. The thing is though, 1333 ram, running @ 1066 is fine. You can probably run 5-5-5-15-20-1 with no problems. Again, you can test it out. Some instability occurs, and you raise 20 to 23 or 15 to 18, but i doubt it will.

Some choose to run their ram lower and overclock through the HTT because the BIOS sets latency options via the ram multiplier used. For instance, at 1066, I can actually run my ram as low as 5-4-4-12-16-2. Mine doesn't handle CR1 because it's DDR2 and most don't at though frequencies. But, at 5.33, the lowest those options go is 5. smile.gif
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@&^%27*#%^@49)!^#*@-NB.
for the life of me, i cant run the NB past 2200.
as soon as i set it to 2400-no boot.
upped the volts to 1.25-no boot. i have everything else set to default, except the stuff i turn off.
this is why i dont just use the multi to oc, well not for the most part.
i have the ram timings loose, so i have no idea why i cant raise the NB.
no worries, i get good stable overclocks the long way-lol
-dimwit-
@ozzy983 it seems my system might be one of those, but i am still pushing it.
this is the only system i have so i dont want to push it too hard and break something-lol

I'm really surprised you'd have any difficulty on that motherboard; it's cutting edge. Dark days when cutting edge is trumped by old tech. smile.gif

I prefer the old way anyway, brings the overclocking frustration level to ludicrous and insanity. Who wants to know what voltage to adjust? Best to either roulette it or test each one individually. Some of us, myself included, still do it this way. We make organized, but ultimately, highly complex spreadsheets to show our successes and failures. smile.gif

When I'm finally "done" with this processor I'm going to post one of them. Lots of pretty colors on it. smile.gif
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If you are running it @ 400 mhz (800mhz effective), then you can set them as low as 4-4-4-12-16, and it should work fine. Might work with 1t as well, not surprised if it does,
You will see a difference when you're talking about latency.
You won't, however, if you are talking about the frequency the ram is running at. As I pointed out, my ram runs faster than most 1333 ram, and it's less than 1066 while those screens were taken. Now, others can probably push there 1333 harder and get the same results, but YMMV.
The only time frequency really makes a difference is when you have an IGP; since most usually run a 3rd party graphics those situations are few and far between.
Truthfully, I didn't even know ddr3 went that low, I thought the lowest was 1066. I guess not. The thing is though, 1333 ram, running @ 1066 is fine. You can probably run 5-5-5-15-20-1 with no problems. Again, you can test it out. Some instability occurs, and you raise 20 to 23 or 15 to 18, but i doubt it will.
Some choose to run their ram lower and overclock through the HTT because the BIOS sets latency options via the ram multiplier used. For instance, at 1066, I can actually run my ram as low as 5-4-4-12-16-2. Mine doesn't handle CR1 because it's DDR2 and most don't at though frequencies. But, at 5.33, the lowest those options go is 5. smile.gif

I set it to 5-5-5-20-20 1T (reading it off CPU-Z) and so far it's been doing great. The only bottleneck I have now is the GPU which I've already overclocked a bit through the AMD/ATI's Control Center thing
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