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I'm too much of a baby to push more than 1.51v through it. biggrin.gif

me, too.

off topic:

someone wants to buy my chip, should i sell it? and how much?

thanks.
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but now I'm not the fastest sad-smiley-002.gif
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I'm too much of a chicken to push more than 1.5-1.51v through mine.

Yeah, I'm tempted to a suicide run at 4 cores, as I'm sitting at 4.0 w/ 5 cores at 1.38V. I think I can go a bit higher, but I dunno how much this 212+ will take. At this voltage 4.1 crashes after getting into the desktop.
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but now I'm not the fastest sad-smiley-002.gif
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I'm too much of a chicken to push more than 1.5-1.51v through mine. I'm thinking of buying a higher CFM heatsink fan since temps are my main problem more than anything. Idles even with 1.51v were low/mid 30s but they creep up to 62C really quick.

Just lapped my NZXT Havik cooler yesterday and re-arranged my cooling.I never broke 48c running those test above,and voltage was creeping up to 1.63v.
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Some really nice overclocking done with this chip! Wow! I have heard that there was a near-80% chance of unlocking the extra cores, but I didn't know how far it actually could be pushed! I wish I would have known this when I spent twice as much on an 1100T!!

However, my girlfriend recently got a new PC to replace her ancient Compaq laptop (6yrs old). She is not into computers or anything, but I clearly am. She originally wanted a laptop, but I eventually showed her that she wasn't going to get much at all with a $500 budget for a laptop (in regards to future-proof-ness), so she decided she wanted a desktop. I looked around, started gathering up some options (bottom-rung Core-i3/i5 or higher-end Core2Duo, 4-6GB memory, 500GB HDDs, etc), when all of the sudden I found a one-day-only sale for an HP P7-1074 for only $320 shipped and she bought it at my recommendation. Now, it's a prefab machine, so I know options are limited, but the specs are as follows:
- Windows 7 Premium 64bit
- (unknown motherboard, but shows up as Foxconn in CPU-Z)
- AMD Phenom II x4 960T
- 8GB Dual-Channel DDR3-1333 (2x4GB, with two unused DIMMs)
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- Gigabit Ethernet

It does have the following unused expansion slots:
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- 1x PCI
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Not looking to turn this into a gaming machine, but rather a "strong" (i.e. as future-proof as possible) all-purpose PC, capable of anything from simple web browsing up to editing HD video and photos. I know that working with a prefab isn't ideal, but the price was too good considering it took all of 10min to get up and running. Would also like to be able to stream video from the PC to a television. This will be done over time, buying parts as they go on sale or drop in price notably; i.e. not a huge rush.
Here are current plans:
- 600-750W Modular PSU (or whatever is needed)
- 16GB RAM total (add 2x4GB sticks of DDR3-1333, or replace all with 4x4GB DDR3-1600; or, if DDR4 gets released and DDR3 prices drop further, I'll just go ahead and put 4x8GB sticks in there for 32GB total)
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- Corsair Hxx Self-Contained Liquid CPU Cooler (gets hot in the summer due to lack of insulation; we're going to have blown cellulose and foam poly board insulation, R=28-33, put in within the next 18mo)
AND of course....
- Video Card
In regards to the video card, I'm thinking that once the 7970 and other 7-series cards become readily available and NVIDIA launches their stuff, the current cards will drop in price. Ideally, I'd like to put a 6950/6870 in there, but only if they drop in price. I don't wanna spend more than $150-180 on a card for this PC, but the card DOES have to be capable of (amateur-level) HD Video Editing, and it's equally important that it have a way to output to both the monitor as well as a television (the TV is in the room directly below). A simple TV Tuner card will not suffice in terms of GPU power.

I'd REALLY like to be able to unlock the processor, as the video editing and serious multitasking that the computer is subjected to could benefit from extra cores, but I don't know how to do that with a "prefab"? I am assuming it's "impossible", but I figure that if anyone on earth knows how to get it to work, one of you will smile.gif

Thanks so much!
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post #65 of 2790
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You probably won't be able to unlock with a OEM motherboard. If you did, it would be by:

a) flashing the motherboard to a non-OEM (Non-HP in your case) BIOS
b) software

the latter of which I can't help you with. I tried a few software OCing programs back when I first got into computers (Socket 754 era biggrin.gif) but back then it was pretty much a worthless exercise. Leaps and bounds have been made with software clocking (like AMD Overdrive) to where you can get some respectable OCs ... but I don't have any experience with them.

OCing is a definite possibility, but I'd be willing to bet unlocking would be a no go. redface.gif

A is a fairly likely scenario, though. A lot of the time they use a motherboard capable of OCing and simply flash to a BIOS without the options -- find a BIOS from the motherboard manufacturers website (IE Asus' BIOS if it's an Asus mobo, instead of downloading the mobo BIOS from the HP site) and flash it to a non HP version and you could get your options unlocked.

That being said, chances are the board is bargain bin and only has a 4+1 VRM design and no heatsink -- so OCing would be pretty risky with any voltage adjustments.

If it was my computer, I'd just run it stock with the upgrades you have planned until the CPU becomes a bottleneck. Then just buy a new motherboard for it and clock it to 4Ghz and unlock it to an X6. wink.gif

Your PSU choice seems like a bit overkill, though. Your rig probably wouldn't even use more than 400-500W even with your GPU upgrade. No harm in going for a higher watt unit -- but it could save some dollars.

Other than that, seems like a good plan you got. smile.gif
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Back when Zosma's where still OEM only but available on eBay i got myself a 840T to play around with on my CHIV.
Got 6 cores 5 hours LinX all mem stable @ 3Ghz but it needed 1.428v for it.

Sold it to a friend whos running it with 4 cores @ 3.78Ghz 1.476v on a 870 extreme3. Pretty bad IMC / chip cause the NB won't go over 2600Mhz on either boards and the vcore is VERY high for such a OC.

It seems the early Zosma's as in the 840/960/970T where quite poor in unlocking and overclocking.

This topic makes me think that the current ones are a lot better though. Plus, price performance wise unbeatable.

ATM i'm pretty unhappy with my 1100T cause it's got a wall at 4140Mhz. Anything under it is stable with 1.476-1.488v but ANYTHING over aprox. 4140Mhz is not done. Even with 1.562v it won't even do a full hour of LinX at 4150Mhz. No matter the HT Ref/Multi.

Maybe i should sell my 1100T and just get a 960T. Even if it's just for the fun of overclocking and tweaking.
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Unlock rate (meaning X5 and X6, not just to X6) seems to be really really high for 960Ts -- 80%+

They were announced a LONG time ago. I don't remember when but it was at least a year ago. I first saw them on Newegg about 3 months ago and I don't think any retailer had it before them (other than used in OEMs/ebay).

I think it's because most 960Ts are just X6s with two cores disabled to meet demand versus it being a malfunctioned core/cores. You mentioning that about early OEM Zosmas not being as desirable kind of helps my argument.

Just seems unlikely AMD would have a room filled with faulty X6s that they waited until a handful of months ago to release as 960Ts -- the faulty chips were handed out early as 840s.

If I'm right, that means the majority (~80%) of 960Ts are either:

a) non-faulty X6 chips locked to meet demand for a budget X4
b) X6 chips that can't run turbo speeds without a bump in voltage

The left overs, in order of likeliness, are: chips with one faulty core, put in motherboards that can't unlock stability, and a handful of chips that genuinely aren't stable as X5 or X6.

That being said ... this is all from what I've been seeing. I could be a hundred miles off, but I'm confident. biggrin.gif
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Hello all, I too got one of these for Christmas. Great upgrade from my Athlonx3 450. I haven't really played much with it yet, but currently have it at 3984mhz (249fsb x16 multi @ 1.34v). Prime stable for 2 hours with max temp of 42C (screenie is after just 30min). Still need to work my NB up though.
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I was fortunate enough to get mine unlocked to X6 @ 4.0Ghz but took a voltage of 1.55 to get it stable. I am running a Corsair H50 so temps at this voltage don't bother me but I'm tempted to grab a H80 and OC a little farther, As long as I keep temps low the higher volts shouldn't harm it as bad. Although I suspect my RAM is holding my OC back a little what do you guys think?

I have my heater on so my Idle temps are off by around 7 degrees.

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Have had my 960T for about a month now. Was able to hit 3.8ghz on some low voltage, but opted to run at 3.6ghz stock volts, 2500mhz HT. 402
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