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Hello my AMD Comrades,

I'm the proud owner of a shiny new AMD Phenom II 960T Zosma 95W TDP processor! Here is my situation:

I'd like to properly exploit the OC potential of this CPU, but I have some hardware constraints. Here's what I'm working with.

Windows XP SP2 with SP3 Registry trick to play GTA IV smile.gif
Rosewill RP550 PSU with 35A on the 12v rail
Coolermaster HyperTX2
Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H Rev 1.0, BIOS version Updated to F12B to support Phenom II
Wintec AMPx 3GB DDR2 800 PC6400 (3 sticks)
Shiny new XFX HD 6870 2gb (with free Dirt3!!)
WD 500GB 7200 RPM SATA
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DVD-ROM Drive
DVD-RW Drive
3.5 Inch Floppy Drive
Kingwin Large ATX Aluminum case with 2x intake fans in the front, top intake fan, 2x rear exhaust fans and dual Hard Drive cooling fans.

I would greatly appreciate any advice on how to properly set up the mighty 960T Zosma core! I was previously running an AMD X2 6000+ Windsor core 89W TDP stock at 3.1 GHZ, which I was then able to overclock to 3.35GHZ per core using the Hyper TX2 cooler. I achieved the overclock by OC'ing the FSB to 224 and the multiplier was at 15, the HT link was set down to 4x instead of 5x. I think the ram was slightly over 800mhz at the setting, or slightly less... I can't really remember and I suck at math. Please give me your best advice on how to overclock this baby and how to set a proper HT link speed! I will share my experiences and provide performance data for FSX, ARMA II, Lockon Flaming Cliffs, GTA IV and Dirt 3! Thank you all very much in advance!

-Freax0r
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freax,

1. make sure you have the right bios version - F12B . . .

http://www.gigabyte.com/support-downloads/cpu-support-popup.aspx?pid=2758

2. i would not recommend overclocking with that mobo

3. mobo might unlock your chip but i would not recommend you doing that either.

mobo might fry if you do 2 and/or 3. sorry.

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From what I've seen, I'd say its close to 70% to get 6 cores. It's stupid high, almost makes you wonder if AMD did it deliberately to pump some life into it. Wouldn't suprise me too, if they just take functioning 6 cores and disable 2 to meet demands as well.

Well let's not forget...this is only a small percentage of the people who bought it ^^ I bought it with the intention of finding out if it works as an x6. Lucky for me it did. Before I got the cpu delivered I already registered here and posted a post biggrin.gif
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Hello


Just got my parts in over the weekend and built yesterday - so far loving it(mostly). First desktop I have built in 10+years.

Spent the day overclocking/trying to:

Able to unlock to an X6 and run at 3779.9 for 2 hours of prime95 and a run of 3dmark(my second best of the day) - bus @ 110, votages on auto

It used a good bit more power than I would like, so I thought i would run 4 cores for everyday use - but I am having trouble getting stability WITHOUT having my multiplier drop to 11 or 11.5. I have all settings in the bios involving power management off, I have tried changing almost all settings except memory settings(little lost on that).

I've read the majority of the thread and will get to the rest after work tomorrow, but thought I would ask in case I am missing something obvious.

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by AuralViolations View Post

Hello
Just got my parts in over the weekend and built yesterday - so far loving it(mostly). First desktop I have built in 10+years.
Spent the day overclocking/trying to:
Able to unlock to an X6 and run at 3779.9 for 2 hours of prime95 and a run of 3dmark(my second best of the day) - bus @ 110, votages on auto
It used a good bit more power than I would like, so I thought i would run 4 cores for everyday use - but I am having trouble getting stability WITHOUT having my multiplier drop to 11 or 11.5. I have all settings in the bios involving power management off, I have tried changing almost all settings except memory settings(little lost on that).
I've read the majority of the thread and will get to the rest after work tomorrow, but thought I would ask in case I am missing something obvious.
Thanks!

You say you have to drop your multiplier. Does that mean that the stock 200x15 is unstable for you? or have you increased the clock frequency? Post the settings you have for the x6 and x4, your motherboard, and ram so this thread can help you out smile.gif

edit: to anyone else...my RAM is now set to 800Mhz with 9-9-9-28. I believe I had it stable at 6-6-6-22 but should I try to get it to what it's rated for which is 1333Mhz 9-9-9-28 or stick to CL6?
Edited by BadRobot - 2/21/12 at 6:53pm
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Originally Posted by ozzy983 View Post

From what I've seen, I'd say its close to 70% to get 6 cores. It's stupid high, almost makes you wonder if AMD did it deliberately to pump some life into it. Wouldn't suprise me too, if they just take functioning 6 cores and disable 2 to meet demands as well.

In light of AMDs recent FX failure, many consumers and enthusiasts alike are purchasing 960Ts because of their price/performance ratio just think back when the 955s were so popular for the same price point. Thanks to the FX failure many people like I said are defaulting to something that's just as good (if not better in many ways) and because it fit's their wallet instead of getting a $250+ processor (Intel included in that pricing). Shall I mention the previously stated Unlock to X6 percentage? In the end it really is a large marketing ploy by AMD but hey I'm glad I got caught up in that ploy because the 960T is still the best processor I've ever owned.

On another note this processor reminds me of the Phenom II 555 X2 that would unlock to an X4 and man was that thing a beast. Performance wise that chip was very much like this 960T being that again 70% of chips would unlock to X4 and they would all hit 4.0Ghz with relatively low Vcore. rolleyes.gif

EDIT:

ZOMG! Look at this post number. devil.gif
Edited by Fateful_Ikkou - 2/21/12 at 9:15pm
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Originally Posted by Fateful_Ikkou View Post

In light of AMDs recent FX failure, many consumers and enthusiasts alike are purchasing 960Ts because of their price/performance ratio just think back when the 955s were so popular for the same price point. Thanks to the FX failure many people like I said are defaulting to something that's just as good (if not better in many ways) and because it fit's their wallet instead of getting a $250+ processor (Intel included in that pricing). Shall I mention the previously stated Unlock to X6 percentage? In the end it really is a large marketing ploy by AMD but hey I'm glad I got caught up in that ploy because the 960T is still the best processor I've ever owned.
On another note this processor reminds me of the Phenom II 555 X2 that would unlock to an X4 and man was that thing a beast. Performance wise that chip was very much like this 960T being that again 70% of chips would unlock to X4 and they would all hit 4.0Ghz with relatively low Vcore. rolleyes.gif
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ZOMG! Look at this post number. devil.gif

Agreed!thumb.gif
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You say you have to drop your multiplier. Does that mean that the stock 200x15 is unstable for you? or have you increased the clock frequency? Post the settings you have for the x6 and x4, your motherboard, and ram so this thread can help you out smile.gif
edit: to anyone else...my RAM is now set to 800Mhz with 9-9-9-28. I believe I had it stable at 6-6-6-22 but should I try to get it to what it's rated for which is 1333Mhz 9-9-9-28 or stick to CL6?

Once you're happy with the processor speed and know it works, then you can start increasing the memory back toward 1333. Personally, I'd probably use the 5.33 multiplier (1066) and then use the HTT to overclock it after that. You would probably get the best overall performance that way. Plus, you'd have the options for the lower latency associated with 1066, which might work well up to 1200 mhz or so.

Normally my ram is set to 1066 @ 5-5-5-15-23; but I can run it at 1066 @ 267mhz HTT @ 5-4-4-12-20. Not a huge difference in either speed or performance, but it looks cooler on paper. smile.gif

Plus then I get the added benefits of the slightly increased NB (works good up to about 3150 or so).
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Originally Posted by Fateful_Ikkou View Post

In light of AMDs recent FX failure, many consumers and enthusiasts alike are purchasing 960Ts because of their price/performance ratio just think back when the 955s were so popular for the same price point. Thanks to the FX failure many people like I said are defaulting to something that's just as good (if not better in many ways) and because it fit's their wallet instead of getting a $250+ processor (Intel included in that pricing). Shall I mention the previously stated Unlock to X6 percentage? In the end it really is a large marketing ploy by AMD but hey I'm glad I got caught up in that ploy because the 960T is still the best processor I've ever owned.
On another note this processor reminds me of the Phenom II 555 X2 that would unlock to an X4 and man was that thing a beast. Performance wise that chip was very much like this 960T being that again 70% of chips would unlock to X4 and they would all hit 4.0Ghz with relatively low Vcore. rolleyes.gif
EDIT:
ZOMG! Look at this post number. devil.gif

What happened to the FX cpus? and omg, he is the son of satan D: we're doooooooooooooomed!!
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Originally Posted by ozzy983 View Post

Once you're happy with the processor speed and know it works, then you can start increasing the memory back toward 1333. Personally, I'd probably use the 5.33 multiplier (1066) and then use the HTT to overclock it after that. You would probably get the best overall performance that way. Plus, you'd have the options for the lower latency associated with 1066, which might work well up to 1200 mhz or so.
Normally my ram is set to 1066 @ 5-5-5-15-23; but I can run it at 1066 @ 267mhz HTT @ 5-4-4-12-20. Not a huge difference in either speed or performance, but it looks cooler on paper. smile.gif
Plus then I get the added benefits of the slightly increased NB (works good up to about 3150 or so).

The cpu's reference clock for me somehow generates instant failures in p95 when its above 210 x ##. Using AOD's tuning utility it tested fine until it got to 211x19 which is where it froze or bsod'ed. Curses :C

edit: at 205x18.5 with 1.425V it's showing the most promise of being stable. memory is set to 1066 8-8-8-26-26
edit: wow! all workers fail at the same time XD 215x17.5 @1.4V, DRAM 6-6-6-22-27-1T....what I changed was the ram from 8-8-8-24-27
Edited by BadRobot - 2/22/12 at 5:48am
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Originally Posted by BadRobot View Post

What happened to the FX cpus? and omg, he is the son of satan D: we're doooooooooooooomed!!
The cpu's reference clock for me somehow generates instant failures in p95 when its above 210 x ##. Using AOD's tuning utility it tested fine until it got to 211x19 which is where it froze or bsod'ed. Curses :C
edit: at 205x18.5 with 1.425V it's showing the most promise of being stable. memory is set to 1066 8-8-8-26-26

As for what happened to the FX Line, Their design is flawed because they obtain little to no performance gains over their predecessors even at extreme clocks (EX: 5000Mhz) and they failed to live up to their stated expectations. AMD themselves touted that even the FX-6100 X6 would gain a marginal gain over the 2500K at stock clocks. The FX CPU line is overpriced for it's performance zone and don't even get me started on the quad-core variants they felt necessary to release. sozo.gif

For $125 I got a processor capable of performing (if not out performing) a $250 processor that was touted to be the best CPU they ever created. not to mention a 70% chance of gaining two extra cores that windows and other operating systems abound has the capability of scheduling tasks per thread correctly. Seriously, who releases a processor without testing for these kinds of problems and what kind of professional company smothers a lie in the faces of their rival company and then reels in dismay at the public opinion they received. AMD reminds me of a kid whom just lied to their parents for the first time only to be caught with their hand in the cookie jar a moment later.

Anyways, that being said I still think their Phenom II processors are the best out there for price/performance ratio for 75% of people that own or want a good computer. I love AMD because of the good price points they create for people like myself. Despite AMDs recent failure I still love my AMD system very much and wouldn't change my mind in an instant. Another thing I'd like to point out is that the FX line really isn't all that bad for people like myself either it's just I don't want to use a product that has been tainted by the lies of it's parent company like it was and rather contribute to the Phenom line further by saying they should continue the PH line and come out with the Phenom III line already. (Just imagine X8 or x10 Phenoms drool.gif )
Edited by Fateful_Ikkou - 2/22/12 at 5:27am
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