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I think you should just keep it. And enjoy unless you think you will be using it heavy usage for 7 or more years. So far I have changed SSD's every year or two. You will likely want something new before the TLC has any issues.

I suppose with SSD prices constantly dropping, speeds and capacity increasing you simply feel the need to get ever larger SSD's or faster ones. My intention is to keep this SSD for a few months or until I can get a 256GB one at least and use as main OS drive (with the main games I play) and use this as a backup with Mint on it and the other games I play (less frequent ones).
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Samsung drives report the amount of Host Writes in S.M.A.R.T.(at least it did for my Samsung 830). The Samsung 840 120GB should be good for 120TB writes and that's a conservative estimate. That's around 65GB NAND writes per day for 5 years or 110GB NAND writes per day for 3 years. Even power users tend to write an average of only 10GB per day.

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You are certain of those numbers? If so I have absolutely nothing to fear in terms of it not lasting long.
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I think you should just keep it. And enjoy unless you think you will be using it heavy usage for 7 or more years. So far I have changed SSD's every year or two. You will likely want something new before the TLC has any issues.

I suppose with SSD prices constantly dropping, speeds and capacity increasing you simply feel the need to get ever larger SSD's or faster ones. My intention is to keep this SSD for a few months or until I can get a 256GB one at least and use as main OS drive (with the main games I play) and use this as a backup with Mint on it and the other games I play (less frequent ones).
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Samsung drives report the amount of Host Writes in S.M.A.R.T.(at least it did for my Samsung 830). The Samsung 840 120GB should be good for 120TB writes and that's a conservative estimate. That's around 65GB NAND writes per day for 5 years or 110GB NAND writes per day for 3 years. Even power users tend to write an average of only 10GB per day.

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You are certain of those numbers? If so I have absolutely nothing to fear in terms of it not lasting long.
what you didn't think SSDs could take that many writes or that people don't write as much data as they think?
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Originally Posted by Liranan View Post

I suppose with SSD prices constantly dropping, speeds and capacity increasing you simply feel the need to get ever larger SSD's or faster ones. My intention is to keep this SSD for a few months or until I can get a 256GB one at least and use as main OS drive (with the main games I play) and use this as a backup with Mint on it and the other games I play (less frequent ones).
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You are certain of those numbers? If so I have absolutely nothing to fear in terms of it not lasting long.

Yeah pretty much I like changing drives, I like new technology.
Like I said in other post the drive should last really long time. I'm sure you will be changing it way before you use up your writes. Even if you keep it for 7 years... Would you install any 7 year old drive in your system today ? Would you install a 7 year old drive in your mom's computer ? Probably not its either really slow or not to much space. 7 years is a long time for technology. You don't have to worry about it. And especial the fact that you just want to keep games on it. Your basically writing data on it one time and its staying there. It could last 50 years with that type of usage in theory. So something else will probably break long before that some corrosion after 15 years or you would likely power spike or something else that would kill it at some point, or anything really can happen. But point is don't worry about it just enjoy it.
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what you didn't think SSDs could take that many writes or that people don't write as much data as they think?

Both. I didn't think any OS, whether Windows or Linux, would write gigabytes per day to the drive. I assumed it was mostly read due to loading, I wasn't expecting it to constantly write to the drive. However, if these drives can write many times more than the manufacturer states (Samsung have said their TLC chips are equal to their MLC ones) then it's impressive. This is my first SSD and until this massive price drop I didn't consider them a viable option.
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However, if these drives can write many times more than the manufacturer states (Samsung have said their TLC chips are equal to their MLC ones) then it's impressive. This is my first SSD and until this massive price drop I didn't consider them a viable option.

I don't think Samsung has made any statement to the effect that their TLC NAND is equivalent to their MLC NAND. The minimum P/E cycles for their MLC NAND is 3,000 while the minimum P/E cycles for their TLC NAND is 1,000. It's just that both numbers are much, much higher than an average consumer is expected to write to the drive that it's basically a non-issue.

Note that those are minimum P/E cycles. There's a Samsung 830 256GB (MLC) sample on Xtreme Systems that has already reached over 20,0000 P/E cycles or 5 petabytes worth of writes.
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Does anyone know if Samsung has said anything about whether or not the new controller supports overprovisioning with GPT?
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Does anyone know if Samsung has said anything about whether or not the new controller supports overprovisioning with GPT?
MBR or GPT it doesnt matter you can over provision all you like...

All you need to do is not use the full drive space for your partition.
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Well I figured I should post it in here...
Just switched motherboard from a MSI P67 to ASRock Z77E-ITX, both sata III 6GB connections...check it out...
Ran the benchmark when I got the SSD ~1 year ago. 64GB 830 Series:

Now I ran the benchmark with my new motherboard, drive is amost full, 92% full, its about a year old:


WOW! What a HUGE drop in performance....what's up guys? It can't be the motherboard switch, my guess is either the drive is slowly going or the SSD performance REALLY drops off when the drive fills up... I'll be doing a complete reformat here soon and a fresh install of windows 8 in a few weeks. Hopefully that will give me back my performance...I hope.... headscratch.gif
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Its because its as full as it is.
 
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MBR or GPT it doesnt matter you can over provision all you like...
All you need to do is not use the full drive space for your partition.

Is there a good safe way to shrink the primary windows partition on a gpt drive?

Samsung Magician and Windows Disk Management won't do it.
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