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Here's one drive's results....



I get the other drive today and I'll be reinstalling my OS tonight....outstanding!!!
   
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I just got around to installing my 840pro(a single screw is holding it into a 3.5in bay for now I forgot about getting a adapter but it's pretty secure actually) Only problem is, I enabled AHCI mode, but then when booting it said no devices detected, went into windows loading, then crashed, returned to some boot menu thing listing the devices but then saying the same thing, no devices detected. I remember having issues enabling AHCI on my mobo previously when I first built the computer and just dealt with the HDD being in IDE mode the whole time assuming Win7 handled turning it into an actual SATA device somehow as I read somewhere. But I was told I should set the bios to AHCI for the SSD?
I'm planning on installing Windows separately on the SSD now, I just set it up as a secondary drive quick to run samsung magician on it to set up overprovisioning and update the firmware. Want to leave my current HDD in tact for a while incase something goes wrong for at least a few weeks to test it. But I'm wondering if I should try to figure out how to get AHCI working or is it not worth it? I ran the benchmark thing quick on both the SSD and my HDD with IDE mode, HDD came out to random read/write 32/35, SSD was like 270/230, which from what I've been seeing seems right for my drive on SATA 2 speeds. Still 8 times faster than the HDD obviously, but the HDD seemed even slower than I thought it'd be.
Basically I'm asking is it worth it to figure out getting AHCI working? My bios are kind of annoying and confusing, both the HDD and SSD came up as slave drives for some reason, though the manual said nothing about the ports they're being hooked into being anything like that, my DVD drive was the master to my HDD.

Yes, it's worth the effort because it's all about the random read/writes not sequential. Even HDD's perform better in AHCI mode because of NCQ, something seriously lacking in IDE mode.

Here is a thread explaining why you shouldn't use your SSD in IDE mode:
http://communities.intel.com/message/76408

Those speeds don't need explanation, especially the Queue Depth of 32.
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Flashed the new firmware on the drive and re-ran AS-SSD and came out with 10 more points (1092).....not bad!!
   
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You are talking about special deals, not average or normal price. In China the 830's are skyrocketing in price, the 128's are already 1.5x the price of 840's. Only OEM ones can be bought for the same price as 840's but I would advise against them as their firmware can't be updated and Samsung's Magician doesn't recognise them as valid Samsung SSD's.

Sure the deals on the Samsung 830 was mostly just retailers clearing out stock but sales on SSDs in the US occur often enough (you can find an MLC SSD on sale at least every other day) that it can be considered normal pricing already. Granted, SSDs do seem to carry quite a premium in other parts of the world.

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I remember reading the Samsung TLC is supposed to be longer lasting than or the same as competitive MLC as well...maybe it was anandtech?

Nope. AnandTech specifically mentioned 1,000 P/E cycles for TLC.

AnandTech: Samsung 840 250GB Review
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Samsung would not tell us the exact read, program, and erase latencies but they told us that their TLC is around 50% slower than their MLC NAND. We don't know the latencies for Samsung's MLC NAND either, hence we have to go by general MLC NAND latencies, which varies a lot depending on process. However, we were able to get the P/E cycle count for TLC, which is 1,000. Samsung did not specify the process node but given that they listed MLC at 3,000 cycles, we are most likely talking about 27nm or 21nm. I wouldn't find it unlikely that Samsung is rating their 21nm MLC NAND at 3,000 P/E cycles as well because IMFT was able to keep the endurance at the same level with their 20nm MLC NAND.

Again, though, those are minimum values meaning each NAND is guaranteed to have 1,000 P/E cycles each. It could very well reach higher. The Samsung 830 sample in the Xtreme Systems NAND endurance thread reached what, 20,000+ P/E cycles despite only being rated for 3,000?
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Again, though, those are minimum values meaning each NAND is guaranteed to have 1,000 P/E cycles each. It could very well reach higher. The Samsung 830 sample in the Xtreme Systems NAND endurance thread reached what, 20,000+ P/E cycles despite only being rated for 3,000?

The 840 still being tested has reached a P/E of over 2800. Those 830's are historic beasts. Not as good as some of the 64GB MLC drives being tested, with some having reached 2PiB (equivalent of 8PiB for 128GB), but legendary regardless. The 840 TLC chips aren't as good but then that was to be expected. However, anyone thinking these drives won't outlast them is deluding themelves. Next SSD I get will be a 250GB TLC one, just to spite the haters and because they're cheaper than the Pro but are super fast already biggrin.gif
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The 840 still being tested has reached a P/E of over 2800. Those 830's are historic beasts. Not as good as some of the 64GB MLC drives being tested, with some having reached 2PiB (equivalent of 8PiB for 128GB), but legendary regardless. The 840 TLC chips aren't as good but then that was to be expected. However, anyone thinking these drives won't outlast them is deluding themelves. Next SSD I get will be a 250GB TLC one, just to spite the haters and because they're cheaper than the Pro but are super fast already biggrin.gif

I believe you meant 64GB SLC. Given those cost $10/GB they bloody well better last long. rolleyes.gif

I don't hate TLC. I just think pricing could be better. I guess being in the US, I've just been spoiled by all the good SSD deals. My next purchase would probably be a Samsung 840 500GB if I can find it again for $300 or lower (inclusive of tax and shipping). However, should pricing on the 250GB models become a lot more attractive, I wouldn't have a qualm putting them on ultra-SFF HTPCs even for use as live TV buffer/recording drive. I've calculated worst case usage at 156GB host writes/day (24-hour live TV buffer + two 1-hour recordings at ~6GB/hr) and even at a minimum of 250TB (based on 1,000 P/E cycles), the drive should last at least 4-5 years.
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There are two optimization options one lets disable windows features that are bad for an ssd without the headache of looking for the settings and the other i think is like a trim type of thing BTW add me to the owners list I'm use a 250gig 840 non pro





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New system build with 128GB/ 830. Everything works fine and speeds seem ok:

This is my first SSD, so a little unsure about Firmware updates.

Magician is giving me a popup saying there is newer version, so first, how do I find which version I have, and second, if there is a later version, Windows or USB?


Thanks
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I'm in with a 128 GB 840 Pro smile.gif

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