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so can you translate that IOPS to mb/s? Official specs are always goofed up anyways, but Ill take you down as "840 > 830". Thanks.

I paid $80 for my 840 non-pro. The 840 pro was $120. Seemed pretty stupid to buy the 840 pro instead (in my case), as it was 50% more expensive, and I seriously doubt the 840 pro is 50% faster than the 840. Or even 25% faster. Or even noticeable in real world usage.
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the 830 has better specs than the 840.

typo, right? You just posted the 840 having better specs.
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post #2522 of 5658
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so can you translate that IOPS to mb/s? Official specs are always goofed up anyways, but Ill take you down as "840 > 830". Thanks.

I paid $80 for my 840 non-pro. The 840 pro was $120. Seemed pretty stupid to buy the 840 pro instead (in my case), as it was 50% more expensive, and I seriously doubt the 840 pro is 50% faster than the 840. Or even 25% faster. Or even noticeable in real world usage.
typo, right? You just posted the 840 having better specs.

I have my 830 box to hand with the data on the back, so I'll just fill in the sequential read and write speeds tongue.gif

SAMSUNG 830 Series 128GB
Sustained Sequential Read: 520 MB/s
Sustained Sequential Write: 320 MB/s
4KB Random Read: Up to 80,000 IOPS
4KB Random Write: Up to 30,000 IOPS

SAMSUNG 840 Series 120GB
Sustained Sequential Read: 530 MB/s
Sustained Sequential Write: 130 MB/s
4KB Random Read: Up to 85,000 IOPS
4KB Random Write: Up to 32,000 IOPS

SAMSUNG 840 Pro Series 128GB
Sustained Sequential Read: 530 MB/s
Sustained Sequential Write: 390 MB/s
4KB Random Read: Up to 97,000 IOPS
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so can you translate that IOPS to mb/s?
Googled and got this: http://yhworks.blogspot.com/2012/12/how-to-convert-mbps-to-iops-or.html
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but Ill take you down as "840 > 830".
whichever is cheaper. I have had both and can't tell the difference, but I like the faster write speed of my 830.
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so can you translate that IOPS to mb/s?
Googled and got this: http://yhworks.blogspot.com/2012/12/how-to-convert-mbps-to-iops-or.html
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but Ill take you down as "840 > 830".
whichever is cheaper. I have had both and can't tell the difference, but I like the faster write speed of my 830.

Like I said, I already have both, and I can't sell either of them. I have a distinct choice right now where I have both a Samsung 830 128gb and samsung 840 120gb. I'm basically asking which do I put in my worse computer that someone else uses (hence why I can't sell it, if i switch it to the 'worse' one it at least performs similarly, i can't downgrade his drive), which do I put in my main one.

The write speed, its sequential write. That's only for long installatoin basically, right? Well, I don't install anything long, like I said I use only 50gb over 3 years and only install 1 game and will not be installing any other games for at least 5+ years. So I guess the faster 4k of the 840 makes it better for someone like me who isn't installing tons of big programs, right?

im also curious, w7 or w8 for a new haswell build. (sc2, gpgpu work, h264 streaming is what I do).
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Like I said, I already have both, and I can't sell either of them. I have a distinct choice right now where I have both a Samsung 830 128gb and samsung 840 120gb. I'm basically asking which do I put in my worse computer that someone else uses (hence why I can't sell it, if i switch it to the 'worse' one it at least performs similarly, i can't downgrade his drive), which do I put in my main one.

Samsung 830 128GB on your main computer and Samsung 840 120GB on the spare PC. The Samsung 830 128GB nips right behind the Samsung 830 256GB's performance. Meanwhile, there's a steep decline from Samsung 840 250GB to Samsung 840 120GB. At the 256GB capacity, the 840 might beat the 830 in small block performance but that's just not the case at 128GB.

Another thing, the IOPS quoted are only valid on really high queue depths and the difference between 4K read: 80,000 IOPS, 4K write: 30,000 IOPS and 4K read: 85,000 IOPS, 4K write: 32,000 IOPS is hardly noticeable. I reckon you'd see very similar performance on both drives in everyday tasks. I've used various SSD models and capacities both SATA 3.0Gb/s and SATA 6.0Gb/s and even with such a wide spread of specifications, when it comes to real-world performance, there's practically no difference.

One other thing in favor of the older model, the Samsung 830 with MLC NAND is more likely to hold up in steady-state performance compared to the Samsung 840 with TLC NAND.
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SAMSUNG 840 Pro Series MZ-7PD128BW 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
Sustained Sequential Read: 530 MB/s
Sustained Sequential Write: 390 MB/s
4KB Random Read: Up to 97,000 IOPS
4KB Random Write: Up to 90,000 IOPS

SAMSUNG 830 Series MZ-7PC128B/WW 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
4KB Random Read: Up to 80,000 IOPS
4KB Random Write: Up to 30,000 IOPS
Power Consumption (Active): 0.15W
Power Consumption (Idle): 0.08W

SAMSUNG 840 Series MZ-7TD120KW 2.5" 120GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
Sustained Sequential Read: 530 MB/s
Sustained Sequential Write: 130 MB/s
4KB Random Read: Up to 85,000 IOPS
4KB Random Write: Up to 32,000 IOPS

I bought an 840 256 without researching, because it was on sale below $200, wish I had researched and spent the extra money for the 840 pro version, just because performance is better.
Funny thing is, I've never used it. I do have an 830 and a Crucial M4 - the 830 has better specs than the 840. My buy point was a 250 to 256gb ssd under $200. I play 1 or 2 games, BF3 & L4D2, and I don't do large files of any kind - torrenting, streaming, processing, I do an occasional benchmark. I just like the overall speed and loading.

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so can you translate that IOPS to mb/s? Official specs are always goofed up anyways, but Ill take you down as "840 > 830". Thanks.

I paid $80 for my 840 non-pro. The 840 pro was $120. Seemed pretty stupid to buy the 840 pro instead (in my case), as it was 50% more expensive, and I seriously doubt the 840 pro is 50% faster than the 840. Or even 25% faster. Or even noticeable in real world usage.
typo, right? You just posted the 840 having better specs.

The 830 non-pro - to use your term - has better specs than the 840 non-pro. The 840 pro has better specs than either of the non-pro models. And take it upto the 250/256gb models, and their specs are just that much better than the 120/128gb models, but the pro specs still top out higher than the non-pro models.

ADD: Just now noticed that the specs for the 830 series didn't have max read and write specs in my post:

Sustained Sequential Read: 520 MB/s
Sustained Sequential Write: 320 MB/s
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so can you translate that IOPS to mb/s? Official specs are always goofed up anyways, but Ill take you down as "840 > 830". Thanks.

I paid $80 for my 840 non-pro. The 840 pro was $120. Seemed pretty stupid to buy the 840 pro instead (in my case), as it was 50% more expensive, and I seriously doubt the 840 pro is 50% faster than the 840. Or even 25% faster. Or even noticeable in real world usage.
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the 830 has better specs than the 840.

typo, right? You just posted the 840 having better specs.

The 830 has two bits per cell instead of three like in the 840, and it is generally considered that the 840 Pro is the true successor to the 830. The 840 is the only consumer drive with three bits per cell as of now. When it reads data, it may send three pulses of electrical current into a cell to read all three bits, but the 840 Pro and 830 send up to two, as far as I understand. If you're just booting and loading programs and apps, you won't see much difference between the 840 and 840 Pro, but they might run almost barely noticeably faster than an 830. But if you do video editing and other write-intensive tasks, then you should use the 840 Pro and get the biggest capacity you can afford. I just bought a standard 840 250 GB because I really don't write stuff other than the occasional program install, and even then, it's still faster than most, if not all, hard disks. Also, the 20 cents less per gigabyte helped a lot.
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Can you guys please lay off with the 840 Pro? I'm not asking about it, it's not the situation im in. Also, from where I purchased, the 840 Pro was 50% more expensive than the 840. I seriously doubt that the 840 Pro is more than 50% faster than the 840. And I've only used 50GB in 3 years on my drive, I really do not need a 250gb SSD, stop saying that. I would have went with a 64gb SSD if I could have (830 64gbs, as I understand, are significantly slower than their 128gb version, and they were only $10 cheaper than the 840 120gb).

I do not do video editing. I do lots of rebooting because of overclock/bench tweaking, otherwise it's just GPGPU work, SC2 (and only SC2, I will only play SC2 for at least the next 5+ years), and h264 codec streaming. I do not install many programs, I install SC2 and that'll be it for at least the next 5 years. I do not transfer many large files or anything of that nature. I've never even seen a bluray. Even if I did do video editing, are you going to tell me my video editing will be 50% faster with an 840 pro over an 840?

So 1 for 840, 1 for 830.
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You're the one posting about the 50% greater price of the pro over the non-pro. No one has typed a thing about expecting a 50% performance increase of the pro over the non-pro - except you, bud wink.gif

I was just sayin .... go with what works for you. I never meant my post to influence you to change your mind.
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Like I said, I already have both, and I can't sell either of them. I have a distinct choice right now where I have both a Samsung 830 128gb and samsung 840 120gb. I'm basically asking which do I put in my worse computer that someone else uses (hence why I can't sell it, if i switch it to the 'worse' one it at least performs similarly, i can't downgrade his drive), which do I put in my main one.

Samsung 830 128GB on your main computer and Samsung 840 120GB on the spare PC.
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