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This useless bickering about which is better between the 830 and 840 is pointless.

Just get the 840. I have the 840 and it's been extremely fast for me in terms of boot-up speeds, loading many applications at the same time and it's been very reliable as well.

The 840 is the newer version, and I would take a newer version over the older version.

You could say that about any SSD. Plus newer isn't always better, but whether this is the case here or not I wouldn't like to say tongue.gif
     
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New owner of the Samsung 840 Pro 512GB.
I had problems connecting the Samsung on my PC which included very slow speeds, the drive freezing and sometimes when my PC was cold started it wouldn't find any of my drives (8 total).
Culprit to all these problems seems to be the hot swap hdd trays on my case, when I removed the Samsung from the tray and used only cables all problems vanished. Kinda of strange as I have 3 more SSDs there (1 Vertex 4 Sata3 and 2 Vertex Plus Sata2), the Samsung failed to work on all the trays.
I am questioning now if it really works OK. Samsung Magician has AHCI mode as deactivated and SATA interface as N/A. Also secure erase fails.

Should I be concerned?

Using RST 12.6.3.1000 from station-drivers.


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Haven't we gone over this before? Samsung 830 128GB over the Samsung 840 120GB (even Sean agrees ). Those IOPS you're looking at are irrelevant for your usage. Those numbers in the specifications are only useful if, say, you're running the OCN forums from your PC or something. For light usage or CPU/GPU-bottlenecked applications, it really won't matter whether you use the 830 or the 840. I've yet to see a direct comparison between the 830 128GB and 840 120GB but based on individual reviews I can find, I'm making an educated guess that the 830 128GB is better than the 840 120GB particularly in the long run.

A post saying '830' doesnt really tell me much, and there's a few people posting against you so rather than people saying '830' or '840', explain why? You mentioned steady state, if you could expound on why that's important...

Im well aware the differences between the 2 are tiny, i may not even notice. Which one do i put in my computer.
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'm curious how you came to the conclusion that the 840 120GB has decent steady state performance.

and where do you hear that the steady state performance on the 840 is terrible?
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This useless bickering about which is better between the 830 and 840 is pointless.

Just get the 840. I have the 840 and it's been extremely fast for me in terms of boot-up speeds, loading many applications at the same time and it's been very reliable as well.

The 840 is the newer version, and I would take a newer version over the older version.

This is exactly the useless kind of info I dont care for. Just because you bought the 840, and have never used the 830, doesn't make it a better drive. I want to know which is better, even if the difference is just a hair. I'm well aware both are awesome drives much better than the competition for their price.

I dont think the 840 is practically 'newer', it's a budget tech. It's like saying you would rather pick a 2013 civic instead of a 2011 mustang because it's newer. The 840 was made literally to be a cheap drive, it's not like it's a direct successor to the 830, like the 840 pro is.

I suppose 830 is better but im not hearing why. I understand official IOPS figures are meaningless, but I do still see the 840 has higher 4k read/write, which is what matters for booting up and loading levels and sc2, no? And the 830 is only better in long sequential stuff, particularly writes, and since I'm never installing anything, how can the 830 be better? So I hear that the 830 has good steady state, but i dont see the relevance of that (because I know nothing, not because i think its meaningless), and I dont hear anything saying the 840 has bad or worse steady state.

I appreciate everyone's feedback, but it seems I'm getting a lot of "Use the 840, No use the 830! No use this one, no use that one!" instead of "830 is better for x, y, and z for the applications you do because etc, and 840 is only good for A, B, and C which is not what you do". I dont really care much about length of drive, like I said, I only use 50gb of ssd space. I'm not doing tons of uninstall/reinstall wearing out the drive, I will likely upgrade the drive within a year anyways (on average I keep a computer for about 4 months because I like to sell them for profit, use the cash to upgrade to even bigger, try out new hardware). I dont think people are taking account my usage patterns.
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use the 830 in your main rig, 840 in other. I've used both. You won't notice any difference. Plus, the 840 has higher latencies.
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use the 830 in your main rig, 840 in other. I've used both. You won't notice any difference. Plus, the 840 has higher latencies.

My 840 SSD is extremely fast. Fastest SSD I've tested yet.

Do they even sell the 830s anymore?
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use the 830 in your main rig, 840 in other. I've used both. You won't notice any difference. Plus, the 840 has higher latencies.

My 840 SSD is extremely fast. Fastest SSD I've tested yet.
all ssds are extremely fast. biggrin.gif...except the crucial v4 lol
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Do they even sell the 830s anymore?
no, discontinued
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use the 830 in your main rig, 840 in other. I've used both. You won't notice any difference. Plus, the 840 has higher latencies.

why do you say this though? As I understand it, 840 is way faster in 4k read/write, which is what is important to me. Loading levels in SC2 isn't even important to me because you have to wait on the opponent to load his level. So what really matters to me 99% is boot time. Then, i guess like shutdown time. Then, maybe loading up sc2 or small stuff like hwinfo and chrome and such. I only use 50gb of space, so im not constantly installing anything or deleting.

Tell me why I'm wrong in my understanding. I understand the official specs aren't trustworthy but all the reviews I've read say this too.

I dont know what latencies are for.

I appreciate your input, i really treasure it. I just want to know why. thats all, very simple, i hope im not being obnoxious here.
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The 840 isn't way faster, it's almost equal to the 830. Their performance is so close to one another it's hard to distinguish.

As I said their biggest difference is longevity with the 830 lasting up to 10 times longer but, as I said, with your usage an 840 TLC drive will last you centuries, an 830 millennia.
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Tell me why I'm wrong in my understanding. I understand the official specs aren't trustworthy but all the reviews I've read say this too.

I dont know what latencies are for.

I appreciate your input, i really treasure it. I just want to know why. thats all, very simple, i hope im not being obnoxious here.

Think of latencies as access times. You pretty much want that value to be consistently low else, you're going to experience performance hiccups. Average latency for an HDD is around 9-15ms. The max latency HardOCP got for the Samsung 840 120GB in their review is 67ms.

Another thing, were you looking at reviews for the Samsung 840 120GB specifically or is it for one of the bigger models? Because you can't just read a review for the 250GB model and expect the 120GB model to perform the same. That goes for any SSD, not just the Samsung 840. NAND configuration matters a lot when it comes to performance.

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The 840 isn't way faster, it's almost equal to the 830. Their performance is so close to one another it's hard to distinguish.

As I said their biggest difference is longevity with the 830 lasting up to 10 times longer but, as I said, with your usage an 840 TLC drive will last you centuries, an 830 millennia.

Yeah but the thing is, Belial already owns both. I understand recommending the 840 for someone who has yet to buy an SSD. However, he's just asking for advice on which one to put on his primary rig and which one to put on the spare PC.
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Think of latencies as access times. You pretty much want that value to be consistently low else, you're going to experience performance hiccups. Average latency for an HDD is around 9-15ms. The max latency HardOCP got for the Samsung 840 120GB in their review is 67ms.

You are saying that the 840 120 is four to five times slower than an HDD? If HardOCP really reported a latency of 67ms they need to go back to their testing because that is impossible and here's proof why their testing was terrible (if your numbers are correct)


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Another thing, were you looking at reviews for the Samsung 840 120GB specifically or is it for one of the bigger models? Because you can't just read a review for the 250GB model and expect the 120GB model to perform the same. That goes for any SSD, not just the Samsung 840. NAND configuration matters a lot when it comes to performance.
Yeah but the thing is, Belial already owns both. I understand recommending the 840 for someone who has yet to buy an SSD. However, he's just asking for advice on which one to put on his primary rig and which one to put on the spare PC.

I know he has both. Either will do in the main rig, though even I agree with Sean he should use the 830.
Edited by Liranan - 6/17/13 at 9:41am
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(14 items)
 
The Mistress
(13 items)
 
Media Server
(11 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX8320 @ 4.5 Crosshair V (Third One) 290 Tri-X OC 16GB HyperX 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Sandisk SSD Plus 240GB Toshiba 3TB Hitachi 2TB Swiftech H220-X 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win 8.1/Mint Viewsonic VX2457-mhd Logitech K120 Super Flower Golden Green 650W 
CaseMouse
Enthoo Pro G400 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
A8-6410 Lenovo Lancer 4B2 K16.3 R5 128 Shaders/M230 Hynix 8GB DDR3 1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveOSMonitor
Samsung 840 120 GB SSD Seagate Momentus 1TB 5400rmp Win 8.1 CMN1487 TN LED 14" 1366*768 
KeyboardPowerMouseMouse Pad
Lenovo AccuType 2900mAh/41Wh Elan Trackpad/Logitech M90 Super Flower 
Audio
AMD Avalon(Connexant) 
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The girlfriend.
(14 items)
 
The Mistress
(13 items)
 
Media Server
(11 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX8320 @ 4.5 Crosshair V (Third One) 290 Tri-X OC 16GB HyperX 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Sandisk SSD Plus 240GB Toshiba 3TB Hitachi 2TB Swiftech H220-X 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win 8.1/Mint Viewsonic VX2457-mhd Logitech K120 Super Flower Golden Green 650W 
CaseMouse
Enthoo Pro G400 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
A8-6410 Lenovo Lancer 4B2 K16.3 R5 128 Shaders/M230 Hynix 8GB DDR3 1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveOSMonitor
Samsung 840 120 GB SSD Seagate Momentus 1TB 5400rmp Win 8.1 CMN1487 TN LED 14" 1366*768 
KeyboardPowerMouseMouse Pad
Lenovo AccuType 2900mAh/41Wh Elan Trackpad/Logitech M90 Super Flower 
Audio
AMD Avalon(Connexant) 
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