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I'm performance freak, (tweaker) i would be reformating biggrin.gif

If you are lazy leave it as it is, no harm at all, just the best method, performance wise is when you make it during OS install/partitioning.

And what exactly should I do even then? Create an unallocated 10GB space?

I will do a format when I'll gather all the WHQL drivers for all of my components. Currently I'm only waiting for 13.11 or 13.12whql by AMD. Network, Audio, MEI and Chipset are all wHQL'd already. VS2012 redistributables update 4 and 2013 are out, likewise. I guess Firefox 26 stable will be out too. I like clean things smile.gif
Edited by Deo Domuique - 11/27/13 at 8:01pm
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I'm performance freak, (tweaker) i would be reformating biggrin.gif

If you are lazy leave it as it is, no harm at all, just the best method, performance wise is when you make it during OS install/partitioning.

And what exactly should I do even then? Create an unallocated 10GB space?

I will do a format when I'll gather all the WHQL drivers for all of my components. Currently I'm only waiting for 13.11 or 13.12whql by AMD. Network, Audio, MEI and Chipset are all wHQL'd already. I like clean things smile.gif
why would you format? there is no difference between making unallocated space before or after install. No need to wipe and reinstall. You don't even need to over provision.
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I have "Write Cache Buffer" enabled, but I was talking for "Write-Cache Buffer Flushing" whilst if you look closely, you'll notice that in all stages "Maximum Performance, Maximum Capacity and Maximum Reliability" says: Deactivates Features that SSDs do not use. Only in Advanced mode and in case of power-loss etc you should have it on. For some reason though, for old Intel's SSDs we had to keep it on constantly; unless my memory doesn't serve me correct.

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Only for the old Intel with internally built-in controller I heard I should keep it on ( not checked the second box )

I'd really like more opinions, although Magician says specificialy that the SSDs do not use it.

My second box is checked. Which turns off Windows write-cache buffer flushing. Either way, you can test with the options checked or not by benching. I get the advertised scores for my Evo with my current settings, so I may be right.
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Read Sean's guides as to why page file and temp files should remain on the SSD. If you're worried about lifespan you really are worrying about nothing. Samsung's TLC have a P/E close to 3000, meaning your SSD will outlast you and can already be considered a family heirloom. At 10GB writes a day that SSD will last you at least 50 years, if that isn't enough for you you need to get the best SLC drive you can find and I'm not being sarcastic.

I have read his guides, and the last paragraph of my previous post did mention that I'll move it all back in a few weeks.

Not really worried about lifespan anymore. Just wanted to see if there were rogue apps or settings causing unnecessary writes to my drive. If there's something that I barely use, or I could find an alternative for, that is writing for no reason to my drive, I have good reason to change or uninstall it. Because from my understanding of how SSDs are written to, a lot of 4k writes will crank up the write amplification to 4.5x on my Evo.

And I think it's Samsung's MLC that has a P/E rating of 3000. The TLC has a P/E rating of 1000 only.
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why would you format? there is no difference between making unallocated space before or after install. No need to wipe and reinstall. You don't even need to over partition.

Because the free space is still "dirty" on the OP if you do it after the install, like i said, if there is 5% difference it would worth it for me smile.gif
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And what exactly should I do even then? Create an unallocated 10GB space?

Yea, just leave like 10-20% depends how much of the space you need, ideal is 20, but 10% would help as well.
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I bought myself a new 840 pro 256g, i installed it yesterday with the newest driver and put acsi.

I disconnected my older HDD and booted from cd-rom to load win7, but magician is still saying it is not using acsi and it doesnt see my sata3 6g/s. Did i miss something?

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I keep my pagefile, temp files, browser caches, photoshop caches, everything except data files on the SSD. Because I have restored the OS several times over a years time I only have 15 years left on my SSD sadsmiley.gif

Are you saying you've written several hundred TB to your SSD?
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And I think it's Samsung's MLC that has a P/E rating of 3000. The TLC has a P/E rating of 1000 only.

That's theoretical, actual P/E is much, much higher, otherwise an 830 would never have been able to write over 6PB and an 840 400TB.
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TechReport is doing a murder-test on a bunch of SSDs and have found that, after 100TB written or so, relocated sectors started popping up and after 200TB they're everywhere in the 840. I think they're all 240-256GB drives, but I'm not sure.
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TechReport is doing a murder-test on a bunch of SSDs and have found that, after 100TB written or so, relocated sectors started popping up and after 200TB they're everywhere in the 840. I think they're all 240-256GB drives, but I'm not sure.

Even so, performance hasn't suffered. For me, it would take a hundred years to get 200TB. Cince I'm 64, methinks I shan't worry much
     
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That 100 TB may not seem like a lot, but after 1609 power-on hours, I have done 2.14 TB writes to my 840 Pro SSD. An I have restored it from backups many times, have all my caches, and page file on it - everything except data. If it crapped out at 100 TB, it would last me 8.5 power-on years at the rate I am using it. Now mine isn't power-on 24x7 so it would last me a lot longer than that. So I wouldn't worry.

My SSD will probably outlast me as well Lady.
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