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not ALL 840 EVO still have a problem since the latest firmware. samsung is looking into the drives that are still being affected.

in the meantime - save an image of the drive, run secure erase and reinstall OS when the performance degrades.

its not like you are going to kill the drive's p/e cycles.

I've been closely monitoring the 3 500GB 840 evos I still have in service since doing the performance restoration tool. 2 of the 3 have not degraded to the point of being annoyingly slow yet.

They still get imaged daily, especially the home server/backup computer. Its still reading at avg 350-380MB/s though at this point. Not sure if it's related to the firmware issues with the drive but I've noticed the HDD indicator LED stays lit up nearly constantly, even when no server instances are running. No visible or detectable malware/viruses/etc that I've found either.
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@Swuell
Read speed of existing data will deteriorate over time until they read slower than from a slow HD.

I would return it if u can.

Oh man... I got this during christmas though on a promotional sale from Fry's; so I think it's a bit too late to return it now... I did not that this was even an actual issue. I thought it just degraded in a different way -- didn't know it actually deteriorated like that! Oh ****.. How to circumvent this or mitigate it then?
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Originally Posted by looniam View Post

not ALL 840 EVO still have a problem since the latest firmware. samsung is looking into the drives that are still being affected.

in the meantime - save an image of the drive, run secure erase and reinstall OS when the performance degrades.

its not like you are going to kill the drive's p/e cycles.

Oh. Well this is the first I've heard of this in the first place so yep... Well I mean should I even put my OS on this 840 or just leave it on the 830 then? At least it's not going to impact the p/e cycles -- which is a good thing... That's the major thing I was worried about when BrainSplatter said the read data will be read slower than a slow HDD.
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I've been closely monitoring the 3 500GB 840 evos I still have in service since doing the performance restoration tool. 2 of the 3 have not degraded to the point of being annoyingly slow yet.

They still get imaged daily, especially the home server/backup computer. Its still reading at avg 350-380MB/s though at this point. Not sure if it's related to the firmware issues with the drive but I've noticed the HDD indicator LED stays lit up nearly constantly, even when no server instances are running. No visible or detectable malware/viruses/etc that I've found either.

The performance restoration tool...? What happened to your 3 500GB 840 EVO's? And what speed should these EV0's be averaging when read so I know what to look out for? HDD indicator LED staying lit is pretty odd... are you sure there's no background instances running within?
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Oh. Well this is the first I've heard of this in the first place so yep... Well I mean should I even put my OS on this 840 or just leave it on the 830 then? At least it's not going to impact the p/e cycles -- which is a good thing... That's the major thing I was worried about when BrainSplatter said the read data will be read slower than a slow HDD.

quite some time ago, prior to the holidays, it was reported the EVOs would slow down reads of "stale data" - data written to the drive but never modified such as OS or applications etc. turned out to be something about voltage drift correction algorithm or whatnot.

samsung provided a data restoration tool that refreshed all the drive's data and an updated firmware to correct the algorithm HERE

if your ssd has EXT0BB6Q firmware you need not take any action.

there is an ongoing(?) thread:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1538101/tr-some-840-evos-still-vulnerable-to-read-speed-slowdowns/0_50

the OP has a benchmark link in their sig to see if your drive is *still* affected.

edit:
i'm still ok after a few months of secure erase re-install

Edited by looniam - 3/25/15 at 3:07pm
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Originally Posted by looniam View Post

quite some time ago, prior to the holidays, it was reported the EVOs would slow down reads of "stale data" - data written to the drive but never modified such as OS or applications etc. turned out to be something about voltage drift correction algorithm or whatnot.

samsung provided a data restoration tool that refreshed all the drive's data and an updated firmware to correct the algorithm HERE

if your ssd has EXT0BB6Q firmware you need not take any action.

there is an ongoing(?) thread:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1538101/tr-some-840-evos-still-vulnerable-to-read-speed-slowdowns/0_50

the OP has a benchmark link in their sig to see if your drive is *still* affected.

edit:
i'm still ok after a few months of secure erase re-install

Thanks for the info. I just got it recently--a few months back--but haven't really actually booted it up quite yet since my PC isn't even re-installed fully yet after I took it apart to fix it when I was doing this upgrade... So I didn't even know about this. Since I've yet to boot up my EVO once I don't even know what firmware it's currently running.

Thank you though!
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you could take the "easy way out" and just move your steam games to the 1TB. maybe your docs/pics and video folders too . .
that mobo has 4 sata 6gbs ports, no?

What would be better for the system drive the raid 0 drive? Or should I love everything to the 1tb and sell the 2 840 pro? I'm cool with that... If it's not a huge difference. Otherwise I can use this and wait until M.2 gets cheaper.
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not ALL 840 EVO still have a problem since the latest firmware. samsung is looking into the drives that are still being affected.

It's too early to tell whether any drive is fixed since the FW update. In my case, it took a while longer until the problem started to manifest itself again but now it's back in full force.

As long as the FW doesn't fix the problem for ALL drives it is not working. Why should it work on some drives and not on others? If only very few drives would still be affected you could maybe say that the FW update somehow didn't work but since the majority of drives already shows problems again we have to assume that the problem is not solved yet.
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What would be better for the system drive the raid 0 drive? Or should I love everything to the 1tb and sell the 2 840 pro? I'm cool with that... If it's not a huge difference. Otherwise I can use this and wait until M.2 gets cheaper.

that's up to you and how you want to use the drive(s). some have expressed a benefit from raid0 while others don't have a need.

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It's too early to tell whether any drive is fixed since the FW update. In my case, it took a while longer until the problem started to manifest itself again but now it's back in full force.

As long as the FW doesn't fix the problem for ALL drives it is not working. Why should it work on some drives and not on others? If only very few drives would still be affected you could maybe say that the FW update somehow didn't work but since the majority of drives already shows problems again we have to assume that the problem is not solved yet.

has allyn from PCper heard from samsung yet? last i knew he had some drives that were affected but some not and he shipped them for samsung to look over. afaik, there hasn't been any user end scientific testing to draw a conclusion one way or the other if the firmware worked.

some are still working and some are not.
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I suppose use the 850 as the main drive since it'll have better seek times which will be good for OS boot time and such. And the RAID-0 for games and stuff would allow the higher bandwidth of RAID-0 to decrease loading times in games. Also can help for video editing and similar tasks.

The SM951 is probably not worth buying since it doesn't have NVMe as initially reported. You'd have better latency over any of your current drives but you probably can't get enough money by selling your current drives to make it a cost-effective swap.

Another option and something I'd highly consider is use the 512s in RAID-1 for some data security. That is if you don't need 2TB of SSD space and can deal with 1.5TB.

Raid 1 would just mirror the other 512, so basically the really important files there would Almoat think it would make more sense to do that with one of the WD red 4tb drives

What's the best way now to get the 840 raid 0 drives on the 1tb. Samsung magician?
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In case anyone is looking to move to an 850 Pro, Newegg has the 128 GB for $85 and the 256 GB for $139 using promo codes right now. Not sure how long the sale is on for.
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Just recently upgraded to the PRO 850 256 (actually had the drive sitting on my desk since 11/18/14) from an older 128 OCZ Vertex SSD and changed memory from Vengeance 1600 (9-9-9-24) to G.Skill 1866 (8-9-9-24) and I am even happier with the more snappy performance when opening Lightroom, photoshop and other programs. It's like a blink of the eye quick.biggrin.gif

I am watching the 500gb 850 PRO and EVO price because I need to upgrade my dog slow laptop. At one point it was taking 3 minutes to load and be able to open a program vs less than a minute on my desktop; it was like watching paint dry.rolleyes.gif Fortunately, I was able to knock off about 1 minute after removing all that crap from the startup menu, but I still want faster.blushsmiley.gif
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