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When in the boot process does the RAPID driver load?
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Originally Posted by trparky View Post

When in the boot process does the RAPID driver load?


Rapid starts to work 45 seconds after boot. After testing it, normal usage (opening programs, web browsing, email, normal system usage) = completely useless. Once you start compiling data/working, it helps.

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Did you see actual improvements or are you just trusting what Samsung says for that setting?
As long as trim is enabled and your workloads are not composed of mostly sustained writes, for all intents and purposes the entire free space of your drive will work exactly as if it were OP space.
Yes i saw better numbers in benchmarks. Samsung actually suggests 10-12% OP setting but im happy with 5%.
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the way SSDs function they actually are a little slower in file fetching and starting to write then a hard drive... there is a time lag for an SSD to locate data and start to load or write it that doesn't exist in a standard hard drive. so for a lot of small files needed to be loaded at once SSDs tend to take a performance hit. THIS is what RAPID fixes. Its not an all-round performance boost, no matter what the benches say. it's really designed to eliminate the lag time for write and read of small files. You don't see this negative with large files because an SSD is so fast the speed difference makes up for the lag in locating or writing once the file size gets over a certain size (usually around 50mb or so, this varies depending on the speed of the hard drive you're comparing it to and the speed of the ssd in question).

So what RAPID does is eliminate this lag by creating a sorta-ram disk and uses that as a cache to speed up the whole process. sure it has zero benefit for larger files, but then SSDs are already blazingly fast with larger files, in reality its not designed to improve read OR write speeds anyway. What it's designed to do is improve file location or new write startup speeds.

a benefit which gets smaller and smaller the larger the file is.
Well that's a nice theory but windows startup is exactly that - loading bunch of small files from SSD. And improvement was nonexistant. Below are images that show what file sizes Win7 and Win8.1 are comprised of:

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Yes i saw better numbers in benchmarks. Samsung actually suggests 10-12% OP setting but im happy with 5%.
Well that's a nice theory but windows startup is exactly that - loading bunch of small files from SSD. And improvement was nonexistant. Below are images that show what file sizes Win7 and Win8.1 are comprised of:


yes, but RAPID is a windows service, it doesn't load until the end of windows boot. especially with windows 8, in windows 7 it will load with the login, in windows 8 it won't load until 20-50 seconds pass after login (windows 8 cheats the startup times by loading windows in "parts"... it's still booting up vital services and programs in the background for 20-30 seconds AFTER it gets to the metro screen or desktop).

so yes, RAPID will never show any advantage for windows boot times. this is the wrong test to use to see if rapid is working.
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yes, but RAPID is a windows service, it doesn't load until the end of windows boot. especially with windows 8, in windows 7 it will load with the login, in windows 8 it won't load until 20-50 seconds pass after login (windows 8 cheats the startup times by loading windows in "parts"... it's still booting up vital services and programs in the background for 20-30 seconds AFTER it gets to the metro screen or desktop).

I thought this was what happened with my laptop but couldnt figure out why. Now I'm more at ease with myself.
Windows 8.1 would load fast, incredibly fast but no wifi access. I'd have Steam tell me I was offline before the wifi would connect and I wondered why. When clicking the wifi it would always connect as soon as I clicked it lol.
Is there a way to change this load order in Windows 8? Would help me to prioritize the network services. thumb.gif
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So, here is what I found RAPID mode to actually do in real world use: http://www.thessdreview.com/software-2/samsung-magician-4-5-rapid-mode-2-1-testing/

 

For me, it is useless for most light average web browsing consumer usage. Most of the time people are experiencing a placebo effect when they enable it. It isn't until you start really doing work on your system that RAPID mode will help you.

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