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my ad700's and a xfi extreme gamer going through a denon receiver isent in everyone's price range but out of the 5 headsets i tried and the one analog set i can tell you the analog sounds the best.
    
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post #12 of 21
Is this for gaming purposes, or listening to music purposes? For gaming, I feel the Sennheiser HD 555/595 or the newer 558/598 would blow away the g35, due to their large soundstage. For listening to music, you would realize the sonic limitations (such as a difference in type of frequency response) even with your m50s (I have a pair, and I love them to death!). Although, i really think you should try open ear headphones for the sake of this comparison.
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post #13 of 21
I think the underlying question is "Why do audiophiles spend so much money on audio equipment when they can get sound from a USB headset?"

The answer can be pretty complex but I'll have a shot.

The reason why we pay so much for all that stuff is because each item that we purchase, DAC, amp, and headphone, are higher quality. The components cost more and there's a more complex design process involved than in a USB headset.

Whereas you get one PCB the size of a cracker for the digital to analog conversion and amplification portion of the USB headset, you would get the same amount of size in just the filtering section of a budget grade headphone amplifier. If you expand that out, you'll find that there's a lot more cost and design decisions that went into high end audio equipment.

High end audio equipment sounds better because they're designed with output quality in mind (not always the most convenient or cost effective, mind you). The basic results of all that would be lower noise levels and more power to drive power hungry output devices with reduced distortion compared to the all-in-one assembly of the standard USB headset.
Edited by RallyMaster - 12/25/11 at 9:21pm
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post #14 of 21
There are advantages and disadvantages of having discrete components for each job rather than an all-in-one type solution, and that's what people have been focusing on. In theory there's not really much stopping a USB headset from being great, unless the size of the USB dongle is constrained maybe. That said, people really overestimate how much PCB space is required to have excellent DAC and amp performance though, particularly if the amp need not have very high output voltage swing. And if you're the one designing the headphones in the first place, you could very well make it not very onerous to drive.

It has more to do with the actual products on the market. There just aren't any super-high-quality USB headsets and few high-quality USB headsets or headsets in general (outside of maybe broadcasting gear), because there's not a large demand for that. In the current market, there are many analog headphones with superior sound quality and maybe build quality or comfort, compared to USB headsets at mostly comparable prices (even taking the cost or value of the bundled cheapo USB sound card or microphone into account). That's mainly why people buy the analog sets. The other reason is modularization, as discussed previously.
post #15 of 21
In my own experience and I'm by no means an 'audiophile' but I've used several pairs of USB and analog headsets. The one thing I can tell you from my own ears is that USB for whatever reason, usually seems to sound like 'tin echoing' in more cases than not, almost similar to the plastic-tin sound you can get out of a cheap pair of name-brand analog headphones.

That being said I've never had better analog VOIP microphones than I have with USB headsets... odd to think that but true in my experience. redface.gif
    
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post #16 of 21
im not an expert but most of the time USB means with a mic so gamer oriented that aint audiophile so thats starts pretty bad most of the audiophile headphone dont have a mic on it and are not close in most case compared to gaming ''headset'' that are close mostly anyways thats from what i see
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post #17 of 21
USB headsets all have their own in-built "soundcards". So you're paying for the headphones as well as the USB sound card, and you're forced to use the headphones with what is essentially the same as on-board sound. Also, none of the real audio companies seem to make USB headsets at all - they're all made by gaming companies who don't actually make very good headphones to begin with. You're really buying poor headphones with a poor "soundcard" at a high price.

I'll take a proper sound card with proper headphones any day smile.gif.
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Originally Posted by marduk666 View Post

im not an expert but most of the time USB means with a mic so gamer oriented that aint audiophile so thats starts pretty bad most of the audiophile headphone dont have a mic on it and are not close in most case compared to gaming ''headset'' that are close mostly anyways thats from what i see

Thats what Clip on mics are for, so you can clip them to headphones without mics. Its what people commonly do with their audiophile grade headphones.
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Awesome thread! I would like to add that FIIO makes amps with USB outputs. The whole purpose of FIIO Amps is to liven up rather stale headsets. I have a pair of SADES SA-738 headphones that quite often...when paired with my FIIO...put 300-500 dollar headsets to shame.They can handle max volume from the FIIO very nicely. I like my volume between 45 and 52...60 being the max.
Edited by Voaraghamanthar - 4/8/17 at 5:24am
post #20 of 21
Finding this thread, I want to comment that I get bad buzzing when recording audio (ground loop issue?) using my Logitech H530 USB headset, and someone told me in some other forum that usb headsets have their own "audio card " on the headset.

I have ordered an usb isolator thingy, which I can plug in between my computer and my headset. I am wondering, if the buzzing I hear, are indicative of deficiencies in the headset, or being a general issue with the whole computer setup. If I knew I could have my buzzing issue go away by getting a more expensive headset, I would be happy, but so far, I have no clue what might remedy my presumed ground loop buzz when I do recording with my usb headset. I want to start recording and maybe stream gameplay so solving this "buzzing issue" is a big deal for me.

Update: I just found a way to remove the buzzing by having a wire around my wrist, connected to my metal computer chassis. Unsure if this represents real health risk. :| I guess it would be the same as if I simply touched my computer case. Hmm. I think I have an anti static bracelet somewhere, I should try wearing that.

Update2: Apparently, wearing the anti static bracelet I bought years ago, which I never used, made the buzzing go away. I have the bracelet clip snapped to the usb plug of my headset, a nice fit.
Edited by Decoman - 4/17/17 at 7:48am
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