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If you have an SSD you don't want to decrease its life by paging to it.

Turning off a page file just helps make more applications ready to go on the fly, instead of being paged a physical disk, or even an SSD.

If you turn off your page file, you are going to want enough ram to hold up without being able to page.

DDR3 is cheap, so it all adds up to making sense.

PS. In other words, gamers can alt tab faster if they turn off the page file.
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4GB in both my gaming laptop, and my desktop, and I play games just fine.

Maybe they do it for the e-peen?
     
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Prices are going down on everything man, that's why I said give it a few years. The point of my offhand remark was a jab at the ever decreasing cost versus increasing capacity and speed of technology; I'm sorry you took it so seriously, perhaps I should have put in a "tongue.gif" or two.
Either way, my point was as such: SSD's were thousands of dollars a few years ago and DDR was expensive too when it first came out. Sure you may never get a L3 cache disk but we'll sure as hell get something just as fast at some point. Some day some engineer will make L3 caches super cheap, larger, and you can guarantee Intel will jump right on the new tech as they always have; Memory will be today's L3 cache speeds and whatever L cache is on will be even faster. As a wise man once said, "One of these days Alice."
What is L3 cache? On-die transistors. We will never get external L3 cache... because by definition it is low latency so that requires it to be on-die.

There are upcoming memory replacement technologies: memristors, PRAM, FeRAM, MRAM, etc.
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If you have an SSD you don't want to decrease its life by paging to it.
Turning off a page file just helps make more applications ready to go on the fly, instead of being paged a physical disk, or even an SSD.
If you turn off your page file, you are going to want enough ram to hold up without being able to page.
DDR3 is cheap, so it all adds up to making sense.
PS. In other words, gamers can alt tab faster if they turn off the page file.
No, you want your paging file on your SSD. SSD wear concern is vastly overstated.

Turning off Page File does not mkae more applications ready to go on the fly. It can make it faster to use a running application that was idle and moved to paging file. (i.e. Like you mentioned, ALT+TAB out and back into a game.)
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OK, so I haven't looked into ANYTHING about a RAM disk yet (so don't dog on the n00b as the following is only a half hearted joke but really I'm kinda wondering), but can it be a bootable drive? If so, according to Sean's Guide you could get a Win7 install down to about 15GB, so could I drop 32GB of RAM into my rig, install Win7 on RAMdisk?? My, how quick the boot times would be!! tongue.gif
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OK, so I haven't looked into ANYTHING about a RAM disk yet (so don't dog on the n00b as the following is only a half hearted joke but really I'm kinda wondering), but can it be a bootable drive? If so, according to Sean's Guide you could get a Win7 install down to about 15GB, so could I drop 32GB of RAM into my rig, install Win7 on RAMdisk?? My, how quick the boot times would be!! tongue.gif

The ramdisk driver loads at Win startup, and is flushed every reboot. So in theory no (else everyone would have 128gb+ ram right? tongue.gif) But! you could try installing virtualbox onto a ramdrive, then install linux and watch 2 second boot times thumb.gif
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The ramdisk driver loads at Win startup, and is flushed every reboot. So in theory no (else everyone would have 128gb+ ram right? tongue.gif) But! you could try installing virtualbox onto a ramdrive, then install linux and watch 2 second boot times thumb.gif

This could be an idea for my folding client...thumb.gif I'll have to look at how big a footprint Ubuntu has, then I can creat a drive on my HDD for the folding client. Could be worth researching.
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well im sure this thread is past its usefulness

4x4GB or 2x8GB is strictly bragging right around here.

I wanted badluy to get the 3x4GB Mushkin kit when it was just ocming out, but realistically, I never saw a difference from 4gb-6gb

and i tested that setup on my 1366, meaning i have 4 x 1 GB tested vs my newer Mushkin 3x2gb setup, not much difference at all after hours and hours of gaming.


people - dont forget that over time, with lots of programs, the RAM will eventually get used up, I just have not experience that on this PC yet lol

however, I no longer leave my PC on for weeks at a time like I did in my youth with my old AMD Machines.

my Pure Gaming rig, Opty 165 socket 939 with 2x1GB Coresair XMS Plats would run for a week straight of heavy MMO playing before I need to reboot it.
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I got it for a few small reasons.

1. It's cheap. That's a large reason. If we were talking $150 versus $300, it'd be a different story. At $30-$40 more, it's no big deal. As was said before, many people here with as much RAM have put a lot into the rest of their system, so that extra few dollars is nothing.

2. Not to sound like I've been doing PCs for ages, but I've been around the block more than once. I've seen once high end stuff become old, and I've seen old stuff become older. RAM is almost always the thing that keeps PCs going. Think about it; that old PC that's kicking around, what could it do most with? Probably a RAM upgrade.

3. Sort of branching from above, but years back, RAM was always something you wanted more of. It's been getting cheaper and cheaper, so hey, I'll take it. It's better than that alternative. We're at a point where an overkill amount of RAM is cheap, so I can see why some would question it, but I wouldn't say it's a terrible move either.

4. I was coming from 8GB DDR2 so it felt appropriate. It's more overkill for me now, but I needed at least the 8GB I had before (4GB is becoming under par for new setups/platforms even), so I went with more than I had.

5. Future proofing. Essentially, see number two if you want to say "the rest will be old by time you need as much RAM". That extra ~$40 didn't hurt anything. Through it's time, it'll have been worth it to me.

Also, isn't the bit about restricting overclocks a bit overstated, especially for Sandy Bridge?
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You have a point, but I'd rather put that $30-$50 toward a higher-end motherboard. Just my two cents.
You answered your own question. Some pad extra money towards RAM with tighter timings that other say make no difference, some put it towards more quantity of RAM, some get better motherboards that some would argue is more pointless with current (Sandy Bridge) platforms, some get sound cards when others are fine with onboard, some get a slightly better heatsink/fan/cooling, some get a better mouse, or a better monitor, etc., etc.
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I guess, but it has no use in any game. Seriously, what a waste of $40. rolleyes.gif

well 4GB of ram is just now becoming useless for even gaming, so people put 16 gigs in because they might just want to have it for when 6 and 8 become useless which wont be for a really long time i would think.

also maybe they also do intensive tasks that eat up ram.


@princess garnet i dont think an extra 2gb of ram would make my pentium 4 Northwood socket 478 system run any faster. tongue.gif
 
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well 4GB of ram is just now becoming useless for even gaming, so people put 16 gigs in because they might just want to have it for when 6 and 8 become useless which wont be for a really long time i would think.
also maybe they also do intensive tasks that eat up ram.
@princess garnet i dont think an extra 2gb of ram would make my pentium 4 Northwood socket 478 system run any faster. tongue.gif

Like... putting the game in ramdisk and laughing at SSDs. When games are 6-8GB in size, that makes it just a bit ram intensive.

And I've got a 3.2ghz P4 northwood with 4GB of DDR2 667, yes the 4GB makes a difference. It makes a huge difference when it comes to multitasking.
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Also, isn't the bit about restricting overclocks a bit overstated, especially for Sandy Bridge?
Not just sandybridge, I can't say my 16GB has held back my overclock at all, on anything.
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