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The point is RAM is all about how much you have and how distributed it is between slots. Example: you have 8 gigs of 1600mhz ram over 4 slots. This works out to be 2gb per 1 slot (duh). The thing is, as long as the ram stays 1600mhz, it becomes more efficient to have 1gb of ram per 1 slot times 8 to give higher read write speeds depending on your motherboard.
In conclusion, if you have double that size for the same 1600mhz rw speed, the space becomes 4gb per 1 slot. That is why 16gb of ram could be considered useless.

You really need to explain that better, because the basic idea I got from that is that less ram per stick would mean faster? That may work with one stick vs two (dual channel) but I see absolutely no way that would be true of 2 sticks vs 4. As said above, who can see the difference in timings, or 1600 to 1866 in real world applications? You honestly think some magic changing 4x2gb to 4x4gb is going to make things any slower? I was under the impression that 2x4GB was chosen over 4x2GB due to the IMC and heat.

At worst the IMC runs hotter, but even the statement earlier about the IMC in deneb is somewhat untrue; I push 4162mhz with a 2700mhz northbridge (from what I see, a pretty good OC on a Phenom II) with 16GB (4x4GB) running at 1800 9-10-9 24/7/365 stable. Either I hit a golden chip (which is unlikely), or the ram count just doesn't matter like it used to.
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You really need to explain that better, because the basic idea I got from that is that less ram per stick would mean faster? That may work with one stick vs two (dual channel) but I see absolutely no way that would be true of 2 sticks vs 4. As said above, who can see the difference in timings, or 1600 to 1866 in real world applications? You honestly think some magic changing 4x2gb to 4x4gb is going to make things any slower? I was under the impression that 2x4GB was chosen over 4x2GB due to the IMC and heat.
At worst the IMC runs hotter, but even the statement earlier about the IMC in deneb is somewhat untrue; I push 4162mhz with a 2700mhz northbridge (from what I see, a pretty good OC on a Phenom II) with 16GB (4x4GB) running at 1800 9-10-9 24/7/365 stable. Either I hit a golden chip (which is unlikely), or the ram count just doesn't matter like it used to.

I honestly do not think the ram count really matter now days! I was just trying to give an example how having more memory in a specific circumstance can actually be less efficient redface.gif
Of course, the more memory a card holds it will most likely have a higher read/write speeds, thus rendering my example useless. tongue.gif
    
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Same reason guys buy big trucks, PP envy! drool.gif IT'S not the size of your memory, it's how you play the game! yessir.gif
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I honestly do not think the ram count really matter now days! I was just trying to give an example how having more memory in a specific circumstance can actually be less efficient redface.gif
Of course, the more memory a card holds it will most likely have a higher read/write speeds, thus rendering my example useless. tongue.gif

Ah, ok then. big misunderstanding then. smile.gif
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look ma no load screen
 
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look ma no load screen
Fail...wahahahahaha!
More RAM=Ramdisk....well...you know the rest. rolleyes.gif
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Sorry for the sort of late bump here, but...
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This thread (and this argument) is annoying. Say you're going to go to the gas station before you go to work.. do you put in 2$ cause that's all it takes to get to work? Or do you put as much in as you can just in case? Same concept.
Maybe they stream while they game? There's a lot more to gaming than just playing the game.
That's not really the same concept. With gas, you are going to have to turn around and put more in before we move to a source besides gas.

With RAM, by time most people need 16GB (even as a perk and not a necessity), you figure we might be on DDR4 with better CPUs or something, no? Of course, some already need, or just want, 16GB or more today, but I hope I conveyed it well enough how the gas thing isn't entirely the same.
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I would rather spend more to have 8GB of RAM with tighter timing and higher frequency rather than a generic 1600MHZ/9-9-9-24 16gb kit.
To each their own. My opinion is that with system RAM, quantity trumps speed, and with VRAM, speed trumps quantity. There's always exceptions, but that's the general rule of thumb I stuck by.

I could perhaps go up to 1866MHz or use tighter timings if I wanted to raise my voltage, but I'm fine with it at 1.35V and stock speed and timings.
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more ram equals less pagefiling equals faster sinces its not havivng to dump anything to the pagefile on the disk ergo more ram equals better especially for those of us who dont shut the comps down unless absolutely necc heck if I turn mine off once a month you'd lucky
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Sorry for the sort of late bump here, but...That's not really the same concept. With gas, you are going to have to turn around and put more in before we move to a source besides gas.
With RAM, by time most people need 16GB (even as a perk and not a necessity), you figure we might be on DDR4 with better CPUs or something, no? Of course, some already need, or just want, 16GB or more today, but I hope I conveyed it well enough how the gas thing isn't entirely the same.To each their own. My opinion is that with system RAM, quantity trumps speed, and with VRAM, speed trumps quantity. There's always exceptions, but that's the general rule of thumb I stuck by.
I could perhaps go up to 1866MHz or use tighter timings if I wanted to raise my voltage, but I'm fine with it at 1.35V and stock speed and timings.

I agree with you 100%. In other news this thread nearly has 11,000 views. bigeyedsmiley.png
     
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I would rather spend more to have 8GB of RAM with tighter timing and higher frequency rather than a generic 1600MHZ/9-9-9-24 16gb kit.

And you'll likely never see real world difference between either tighter timing or higher frequency. Truth is, there's little to no real world difference between 1333-1866, you'll see a slight difference in benchmarks but that's synthetic and not real world. And even if you get them down to a Cas 7 you'd likely see little to no real world difference. So if you want to spend $150 on what can be had for $40, and perform equally as good maybe half a nano second, if that, better.
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