Originally Posted by m0bius
"This couldn't be further from the truth. Clock for clock Bulldozer gets its behind whooped by Thurban - there are countless benchmarks to prove this."
Duh. That's why I pointed out to have to get a high overclock. Anyone running a BD at P2 speeds is doing it wrong.
"A 4.0Ghz Thurban = 4.8Ghz Bulldozer."
I don't like being wrong, so I went looking to find benchmarks validating your statements.
I can't find any. All of the ones I've found state around a ~300MHz difference, which isn't hard to overcome considering a Thuban is going to max out usually around 4.0-2GHz. As a matter of a fact, I've never seen anyone state 800MHz other than you.
"and it's rock solid stable at 4Ghz usually at only 1.425 vcore."
My BD is 4.5 at 1.425 here.
I've also seen alot of benchmarks showing an 8150 stock (3.6GHz) beating a stock 1100T(3.3GHz.) Never by much and sometimes losing to the 1100T. I personally don't find the link you gave relevant as it is all synthetics and not actually gaming.
I went looking for gaming benches between the 1100T and 8150 and honestly had a pretty hard time finding useful ones. Most of them I found are 8150 vs. i5 2500k or i7 2600k and that's it. And there are also very few readable comprehensive benchmarks done on it as well.
This one is closer to that 800MHz difference you claim, but still not quite, and that is with the Thuban at 4.2.
(Shogun 2 works after 1003 bios release as of 12-09-2011 on a CHVF FYI)
Stock vs Stock
Not much of a difference between ALL cpus on this one...
This one favors the 1100T by a small margin.
For the stock comparisons consider that there is ~700MHz headroom on the Thuban vs. ~1GHz on the FX, so there is more room for improvement. Also consider that there have been and still upcoming updates coming for BD since virutally all of these reviews. Some bios updates have had a significant impact on consistency.
Don't misunderstand, I would recommend a PII X4 for gaming if on a budget and also only if he specifically wanted an AMD chip. I would also recommend waiting for the 8170 if you're in no hurry. For gaming, I would not recommend the 1100T over the other two. X4 is the best bang for buck, and FX has the most potential, and in reality I would recommend a 2500k over both. I mean really...If Thuban's IPC is enough to pull ahead, then a higher clocked Deneb would be even farther ahead and hands down be the better gaming CPU. But when max overclocks come in to play BD squeaks by most of the time, if only by a nose.
So is it worth it? No. Is it really that far from the truth? No not really. Oh, and I've also owned both, so I'm speaking from experience, I don't know if I can say the same for you.
By all means, I would actually like to see conclusive benchmarks proving your point, just for the information. I just haven't found enough to warrant your statements.
I guess that makes $0.04.