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I don't think you should rule out the higher binned Deneb's. The later batches are every bit as good of overclockers as Thuban. My Deneb does 4Ghz stable undervolted.
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Dat Thuban!
Go with a 1090t or 1100t. Both are really superb chips, and at times were only beat by a little bit against their Nehalem brothers.

Not in Multi Card. AMD still has yet to answer Intel on multi card performance. I say AMD needs to drop AM3+ and integrate the pci-e controller onto the cpu die. Also they need to fix bulldozer's single thread performance. Seems like PileDriver will be AM3+ also, will not be 22nn and no tri gate transistors. Cant wait for the day AMD catches up, Loved my old x2 6000+.
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Go with a 1100T u wont regret for it thumb.gif
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"This couldn't be further from the truth. Clock for clock Bulldozer gets its behind whooped by Thurban - there are countless benchmarks to prove this."
Duh. That's why I pointed out to have to get a high overclock. Anyone running a BD at P2 speeds is doing it wrong.
"A 4.0Ghz Thurban = 4.8Ghz Bulldozer."
I don't like being wrong, so I went looking to find benchmarks validating your statements.
I can't find any. All of the ones I've found state around a ~300MHz difference, which isn't hard to overcome considering a Thuban is going to max out usually around 4.0-2GHz. As a matter of a fact, I've never seen anyone state 800MHz other than you.
"and it's rock solid stable at 4Ghz usually at only 1.425 vcore."
My BD is 4.5 at 1.425 here.
I've also seen alot of benchmarks showing an 8150 stock (3.6GHz) beating a stock 1100T(3.3GHz.) Never by much and sometimes losing to the 1100T. I personally don't find the link you gave relevant as it is all synthetics and not actually gaming.
I went looking for gaming benches between the 1100T and 8150 and honestly had a pretty hard time finding useful ones. Most of them I found are 8150 vs. i5 2500k or i7 2600k and that's it. And there are also very few readable comprehensive benchmarks done on it as well.
http://www.techspot.com/review/452-amd-bulldozer-fx-cpus/page10.html
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This one is closer to that 800MHz difference you claim, but still not quite, and that is with the Thuban at 4.2.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2011/10/12/amd-fx-8150-review/9
(Shogun 2 works after 1003 bios release as of 12-09-2011 on a CHVF FYI)
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Stock vs Stock
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8150-zambezi-bulldozer-990fx,3043-20.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8150-zambezi-bulldozer-990fx,3043-19.html
Not much of a difference between ALL cpus on this one...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8150-zambezi-bulldozer-990fx,3043-18.html
This one favors the 1100T by a small margin.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/the-bulldozer-review-amd-fx8150-tested/8
For the stock comparisons consider that there is ~700MHz headroom on the Thuban vs. ~1GHz on the FX, so there is more room for improvement. Also consider that there have been and still upcoming updates coming for BD since virutally all of these reviews. Some bios updates have had a significant impact on consistency.
Don't misunderstand, I would recommend a PII X4 for gaming if on a budget and also only if he specifically wanted an AMD chip. I would also recommend waiting for the 8170 if you're in no hurry. For gaming, I would not recommend the 1100T over the other two. X4 is the best bang for buck, and FX has the most potential, and in reality I would recommend a 2500k over both. I mean really...If Thuban's IPC is enough to pull ahead, then a higher clocked Deneb would be even farther ahead and hands down be the better gaming CPU. But when max overclocks come in to play BD squeaks by most of the time, if only by a nose.
So is it worth it? No. Is it really that far from the truth? No not really. Oh, and I've also owned both, so I'm speaking from experience, I don't know if I can say the same for you.
By all means, I would actually like to see conclusive benchmarks proving your point, just for the information. I just haven't found enough to warrant your statements.
I guess that makes $0.04.

That's a very reasonable request. I'll have to dig through my history and find links a little later when I have time.
    
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You guys are diverting the OP's request into your own.

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I'm not looking for "bang for the buck" or "best value per dollar" I want to know what AMD cpu I can buy that will make me say "WOW" . Can you help?

It is unlikely that anything other than the 1100T fits the bill, regardless of overclocking, because it still beats out the FX processors in more than just synthetic benchmarks; on a median.

Perhaps if and when MS releases the patches that have been announced, released, then pulled away are finally on the table then the FX may show improvement beyond what's already been tested. But for now, the 1100T is where it stands from both base clock with Turbo to being overclocked.

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ok so I'm sorry I turned this into a argument. I was seriously just looking for the next step above my 965 be . As I previously stated I was not happy with my overclock on a MSI 890 FXA-GD70. I have since upgraded to the MSI 990FXA-GD80. and replaced my MSI560 twin frozr to crossfired MSI twin frozr 6870's. I'm simply in a spot now where I'm pretty sure I have to replace my CPU (due to no post ) and just wanted to know which AMD CPU was my best bet.
After some more reading, and research, and benchmarks, I'm thinking I'll wait on the new architecture until the next gen comes out in march (hopefully). So for now , I'll pick up an 1100T and
see what kinda damage I can do playing with that smile.gif
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If anyone is curious about the "no post" my wifes charming cat pukede into the top fan on my coolermaster HAF922. Fugged my whole rig!!! Almost cost me a divorce! Replaced MOBO, and vid card . I saw the puke on em. After replacing, and another no post saw the puke trail on the back of case right over cpu and memory.. so I'm looking at a full rebuild. YAY ME ! so excited smile.gif
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i thought my 965 was dead..it was the mobo /psu..the chip rocked on! that's a tough chip..i find it hard to believe it's dead.I used to call mine "Ol' Bulletproof".Send it here..i'll test it biggrin.gif
 
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On a side note ... what are the chances of reaching 4.2 ghz on a corsair H100 with a 1100T? I got my 965BE to 4.2 on air, but could not get it stable. I'd love to run 4.2 stable.... Can I do it on the 1100T?
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