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Hi I'm just about to build a x79 system and i intend to get 32gb of ram because i can and i'll be getting a RE4. I recently notice that you could create a Virtual Ram HD and use it as a Paging Files HD with your spare ram capacity. I'm just wondering if there is any point since

1. I'll have so much ram that I see no reason that programmes should utilise the Paging files HDD (or do some programme automatically use it)
2. I'll be using a SSD for my primary drive so speed wise surly there would be no noticeable difference!

Any opinions on this matter would be most helpful or an alternate use of my 'spare' ram capacity would be interesting rolleyes.gif
    
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Hi I'm just about to build a x79 system and i intend to get 32gb of ram because i can and i'll be getting a RE4. I recently notice that you could create a Virtual Ram HD and use it as a Paging Files HD with your spare ram capacity. I'm just wondering if there is any point since
1. I'll have so much ram that I see no reason that programmes should utilise the Paging files HDD (or do some programme automatically use it)
2. I'll be using a SSD for my primary drive so speed wise surly there would be no noticeable difference!
Any opinions on this matter would be most helpful or an alternate use of my 'spare' ram capacity would be interesting rolleyes.gif

Putting your page file on a "virtual RAM HD" (called a RamDisk) is not recommended. The data will then be stored in RAM...the page file exists to serve memory reservations and commits from the operating system, and to move out modified and stale pages from applications running on the system when memory pressure becomes high. Putting this pagefile in the same place where memory is running low would be disastrous!

And just to clear any misconceptions you may have....

The Windows memory manager is not a "swap" based system. If the memory manager determines it does not need pages in RAM, it will simply throw them away (in case of data, they go to the page file, in case of application code, they just get ditched altogether because the memory manager can bring them back from disk when required).

Programs do not use the page file directly. They simply ask the operating system for a chunk of memory, and they either get it or they don't. With 32GB of RAM, they'll *definitely* get it. Often, they ask for a chunk of memory but don't use it right away (this is called reservation).

With 32GB of RAM, you will be able to get away without a paging file altogether. With that said, if you are looking for things to use your "spare" RAM capacity, then you don't need that much RAM.
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Agreed.

The point of a paging file is to place idle memory blocks (or is it at a file level?) into a place other than primary memory to free up space for more critical data. Forcing the OS to place these blocks back into memory even though the OS does not predict they are needed is sort of roundabout.


Save your money and spend it on a bigger SSD... faster GPU... or a sound card.... something that will actually benefit you.
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Exactly what tompsonn said.

It's refreshing to see a post with so much sense in it with regard to ramdisks...yet people still think they're a good idea.
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Agreed.
The point of a paging file is to place idle memory blocks (or is it at a file level?) into a place other than primary memory to free up space for more critical data. Forcing the OS to place these blocks back into memory even though the OS does not predict they are needed is sort of roundabout.
Save your money and spend it on a bigger SSD... faster GPU... or a sound card.... something that will actually benefit you.

To answer your question...

In the case of application code or memory mapped files, the memory manager won't even touch the page file. It'll just zero the page and throw it onto the free page list. Next time it needs those pages it'll go straight to those files on disk to fault them back in, so yes, sometimes it is at a file level, but for the case of private application data, the pages will be in the page file.

+1 to the suggestions as well.
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Exactly what tompsonn said.
It's refreshing to see a post with so much sense in it with regard to ramdisks...yet people still think they're a good idea.

Well, I think ramdisks are actually a great idea, just not for your page file!! thumb.gif
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Well, I think ramdisks are actually a great idea, just not for your page file!! thumb.gif

I have never seen what I would call a 'useful' implementation of a ramdisk. I'm sure if I looked around there would be something which benefited from it, but it's pretty much turning fast and flexible space into a stagnant lump of space.

Certainly, in most of the home-user cases I've seen, people don't realise that dedicating these lumps of ram off to disks actually slows other stuff down due to the smaller prefetch.
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I have never seen what I would call a 'useful' implementation of a ramdisk. I'm sure if I looked around there would be something which benefited from it, but it's pretty much turning fast and flexible space into a stagnant lump of space.

If a databases does not support explicit memory caching, you could load an entire database into main memory. This is useful since disk I/O sucks.


Photoshop scratch disk?
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..................... With that said, if you are looking for things to use your "spare" RAM capacity, then you don't need that much RAM.
Just wanted to clarify one thing the ram is there not for it capacity but to fill the dim slots biggrin.gif
so while I do use lots of revit cad and photoshop I'm well aware that do not need it but hey i feel like buying it so why not! and yes i want to buy 4gb ram dims not 2gb! lol
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Agreed.
... or a sound card.... something that will actually benefit you.

lol sound card ........... isn't that like exceeding 8gb the ocn allowed ram in capacity biggrin.gif and any way I'm already getting a soundcard, video cards and SSD and i suspect if i exceeded what I'm currently getting I'd get similar comments! smile.gif
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............... Well, I think ramdisks are actually a great idea, just not for your page file!! thumb.gif

So what would you use a ramdisk for I might as well find some use for it redface.gif
    
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I have never seen what I would call a 'useful' implementation of a ramdisk. I'm sure if I looked around there would be something which benefited from it, but it's pretty much turning fast and flexible space into a stagnant lump of space.
Certainly, in most of the home-user cases I've seen, people don't realise that dedicating these lumps of ram off to disks actually slows other stuff down due to the smaller prefetch.
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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post

If a databases does not support explicit memory caching, you could load an entire database into main memory. This is useful since disk I/O sucks.
Photoshop scratch disk?

Definitely good for databases. Though most that I know of (SQL Server etc) will just shove the whole database into its address space using mapped file I/O and flush it out to disk when necessary. (that's a very simplified explanation....take with a grain of salt lol)

Was going to suggest PS scratch disk as well. A couple of gigs as a ramdisk is hardly going to hurt system performance smile.gif With 32GB, you've got enough to go around anyway.

I use them for build environments. I'll copy my source files to a ramdisk then run msbuild directly from that. With large projects, it really helps.
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Originally Posted by 4514kaiser View Post

Just wanted to clarify one thing the ram is there not for it capacity but to fill the dim slots biggrin.gif
so while I do use lots of revit cad and photoshop I'm well aware that do not need it but hey i feel like buying it so why not! and yes i want to buy 4gb ram dims not 2gb! lol
lol sound card ........... isn't that like exceeding 8gb the ocn allowed ram in capacity biggrin.gif and any way I'm already getting a soundcard, video cards and SSD and i suspect if i exceeded what I'm currently getting I'd get similar comments! smile.gif
So what would you use a ramdisk for I might as well find some use for it redface.gif

Hey if you've got the cash to get the RAM, get it! I often do that anyway...

See above for usages.
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I never thought about build environments to be honest - I bet that really speeds up massive builds.

I guess it depends on circumstances with databases...a server which is completely disk IO bound and isn't CPU saturated may benefit from a ramdisk if the database has many more reads than writes.
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