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I wish I had that much to spend. I was just wondering, since I have only bought A/V recivers before. I happened to run across the topic of bi-amping because I was trying to figure out why a lot of speakers above the low-end have 4 wiring posts, and was wondering if I could use that at all. It seems logical to me that throwing out everything but the amps would be cheaper per watt, so I wanted to find out if thay were true.

I don't need my equipment to handle video, and the computer can do most of the work the reciever can.

Anyways, I notoce tthe power amp you mentioned has more power than the reciever, first, how many channels does it run, and second, how do prices compare to something with similar total power to the reciever. I don't have a huge space, so huge power would be a waste.
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The XPA-1? It's a monoblock, meant to drive one speaker. I thought you said your entire 2.1 budget is $1200? You can't really squeeze in more than $400 for a receiver under this budget so just ignore I brought up the company name of Emotiva at all--you should not even be looking at separates for your setup.

At your budget you can get a 7.1 receiver like the RX-V667 I linked to. If you want surround sound you will need an AV receiver, but if you just want stereo sound, an HK 3490 stereo amplifier connected to your sound card would perform better. Both are under $300 and would give you some more money to work with to get a quality pair of front speakers.
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That's a lot of power to just one channel. I'm assuming that kind of amp is for the people who build an actual theatre in their home.
Kinda dissapointing if I can't even get the same amount of power of just amps for a comparable price to a reciever.
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The Yamaha looks decent. A surround reciever is definitely better than just stereo. Even if I can't build the whole thing now, I can save up enough to add a center and surrounds by fall next year (depending on how much I spend upgrading my PC). For my purposes, I can actually get away with a 5.1 reciever. I've been keeping an eye on newegg, I've seen receivers discounted by half before.
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Personally, I reccomend foregtting the subwoofer and go DAC, stereo amp (not reciever as suggested), and as good a set of stereo speakers as possible

My system is used for gaming/ music/ movies etc and is described in my sig
Some people really like 2.1, 5.1 systems etc, personally I think it ruins the music as it over emphasizes the lower frequencies.

Bi-Amping can be used to great success and I am doing it on my current system. It creates a much greater wider soundstage than is other wise available. Bi-Wiring is maybe noticeable once you start spending upwards of 10GBP. Both of these things arent worth your consideration right now.

I think you re both american from the products youre reccomending, and the european/ asian markets are very different to america in turns of product choice

The best advice that can be given is to go to your store and listen to as much as you can in your budget. Take a laptop with flac files because even this can do a SPDIF pass through to a DAC. No matter what people say, the DAC is the most important part of the system. But, a system should be priced as evenly as possible.

I would split it as 250/300 DAC, the rest split evenly between the speakers/ amp, and maybe 5% of the budget on cabling.

Suggestions of Components are but I do not know how available they are in the US. Stands are very important but i m starting to push you above your budget. I would suggest buying the best you can afford and slowly adding to it each year. Could maybe forgo the DAC and Stands for a year and buy the best possible amp/speaker combo you can. This is the route I have taken

This site is also fantastic for research, you can see my stuff there too!

DAC:
http://www.whathifi.com/review/cambridge-audio-dacmagic

AMP:
http://www.whathifi.com/review/roksan-kandy-k2-amp (maybe hold off on the DAC for a while)
http://www.whathifi.com/review/rotel-ra-1520

SPEAKERS:
http://www.whathifi.com/review/kef-q300
http://www.whathifi.com/review/dynaudio-dm-26

Cannot stress enough, how important it is to listen to everything and find a style you like
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That's a lot of power to just one channel. I'm assuming that kind of amp is for the people who build an actual theatre in their home.
Kinda dissapointing if I can't even get the same amount of power of just amps for a comparable price to a reciever.
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Only buy a reciever if movies are more important to you than music, I clearly care about music

Hearing your favorite song on a great hi fi will change your life much more than watching a movie

its all relative
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Yep amazing deals can be had from newegg and amazon. I picked up my Yamaha RX-A3000 for $899 on newegg (retail was $1799) and my RX-Z11 for $1800 on amazon (retail was $5499)
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That's a lot of power to just one channel. I'm assuming that kind of amp is for the people who build an actual theatre in their home.
Kinda dissapointing if I can't even get the same amount of power of just amps for a comparable price to a reciever.

http://emotiva.com/xpa5.shtm ($769)
http://emotiva.com/upa2.shtm ($289)
http://emotiva.com/umc1.shtm ($499)

This comes out to $1,557.

This will give you a receiver, and 7 channels of amplification. Five channels will be 130 W each, and the last two channels will be 80 W each. That's a total of 810 watts of power RMS. This combination puts out more (peak) power than the Pioneer SC-57 ($2000) or the Onkyo TX-NR5009 ($3000), all of which only have 800VA transformers (the Emotiva setup will have 1500VA total). So in actuality, you can put up a very impressive power amp setup through Emotiva.

Emotiva is an online online brand, that's why their prices are so low and their pricing is not indicative or normal separates brands. That said, the UMC-1 isn't exactly the most reliable processor.
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That's a lot of power to just one channel. I'm assuming that kind of amp is for the people who build an actual theatre in their home.
Kinda dissapointing if I can't even get the same amount of power of just amps for a comparable price to a reciever.
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The Yamaha looks decent. A surround reciever is definitely better than just stereo. Even if I can't build the whole thing now, I can save up enough to add a center and surrounds by fall next year (depending on how much I spend upgrading my PC). For my purposes, I can actually get away with a 5.1 reciever. I've been keeping an eye on newegg, I've seen receivers discounted by half before.

Only buy a reciever if movies are more important to you than music, I clearly care about music

Hearing your favorite song on a great hi fi will change your life much more than watching a movie

its all relative
I have either Pandora or Netflix playing basically whenever I am sitting at my PC, so music quality is important, but I also game and watch movies, so I am looking for a somewhat balanced setup. Great sound helps quite a bit with immersion.


As far as the previous post goes, how do good sound cards and discrete DACs measure up? On the subject of subs, they may not help with music, but I do more than just listen to music. I do turn my sub down, though. The cheap ones always seem to be too boomy.

Explain what you mean by 'stands are important'. The point of getting bookshelf speakers is to put them on a shelf/table where you don't have room for a lot of height.

Also, I do indeed live in the US.
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When Bookselfs are this expensive, they should be out on stands. Standing Speakers and Book shelfs have slightly different audio personalities. Point is the bookshelves need are very solid heavy base, if you set them on the desk, you will get vibrations that ruin the sound.

I think that good stereo speakers have enough authority and bass to watch a film properly but 5.1 and 2.1 systems sound terrible with music. If you have ever listened to a bose system hopefully you ll think the music sounds terrible.

A good sound card is just a good DAC, I have the asus xonar essence stx running a digital signal into a better DAC. I have it simply for the 124 SNR ratio and EM shielding. It is fantastic as a DAC as well though, and given its price is probably the best, cheapest upgrade I ever bought.
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Unless you are running full range floorstanding speakers, not running a subwoofer is losing a critical part of the music--the beat and rythmn.
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