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I don't think you realize that imo means "in my opinion" because if you did you would realize what you said makes little sense. Just something I noticed lol

Honestly. Re-read what he wrote again a few times. He's asking why would you want PCI for sound cards? Then he suggested a PCI-e sound card instead, as he feels it's amazing.

Makes sense to me. Maybe it's just because of my state of mind right now.
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ok will ANY of these BOARD have the 8 pin CPU CONNECTION not at the top?? or any sandy bridge high end that its not their?? freaking 400r preventing me from a loop
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Motherboard Explanation lesson
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Originally Posted by Coolwaters View Post

give us back the chipset heatsinks that was designed for optimal cooling!!! mad.gifmad.gifmad.gif

The Intel Z68 PCH had a 6 Watt( I am pretty sure but will have to check) TDP(Thermal Design Power), which really isn't much, but it is enough to require a heatsink, but not a big one. The ones we see on cheap boards, and even on this motherboard have enough mass to hold the 6W and dissipate it without any airflow other than the ambient air. They tend use radiation as their method of heat dissipation.
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ok will ANY of these BOARD have the 8 pin CPU CONNECTION not at the top?? or any sandy bridge high end that its not their?? freaking 400r preventing me from a loop

Here is the deal, that 8-pin connectors just provides a steady supply of 12v to the board, as well as have an equal amount of ground inputs. The CPU's only source of power is this plug, and usually that plug doesn't provide power to anything else, mainly because it pulls such a high amount of power compared to everything, but also to isolate the CPU power from the rest of the system. Because of this there are copper islands in the PCB. Like when you see a mobo maker talk about having more copper, this is where it comes in handy. The ground and power layers in the PCB are copper and they are pretty thick compared to signal layers, in the case of the CPU power, the VRM and CPU power inputs have their own isolated island of copper. From the 8-pin plug to the CPU the copper in the power and ground layers for the CPU are separated from the rest of the components on the PCB. Now when you pull 300W from that plug in the case of a 4.8ghz 3960X, that 300W is a lot of power to pull and transfer through a thin PCB layer. The "thick" layers are actually only millimeters thick if even that. Every mm of PCB length that the power goes through presents a certain amount of electrical resistance, requiring a higher input voltage to get the desired output at the other end when you increase that length due to increased resistance. Never-mind the heat from that resistance. I am pretty sure it can be moved south, but then again the distance is pretty big, and in cases of boards made for overclocking, you would need to have a higher PSU input voltage to maintain 12v at the MOSFETs in the VRM if you drew that connector south.
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also shorter traces=less expensive
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yes that too, but shorter is better for OC IMO, but here is a calculator, they have tons of these so people making stuff can do the calculations quick: http://home.comcast.net/~pcb.george/trace.html
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ughh you confused me more then you explained basiclly your saying mobo manufacters put it their cause its cheaper? I want to buy a new z77 board and watercool my 400r but im limited in space due to this 8 pin connection searching for last few hours NOT ONE SANDY BRIDGE BOARD now or UPCOMING has the freaking thing in another spot only one board has it in the same spot flipped up and down isntead of sidewayt =((

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ok will ANY of these BOARD have the 8 pin CPU CONNECTION not at the top?? or any sandy bridge high end that its not their?? freaking 400r preventing me from a loop

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ok will ANY of these BOARD have the 8 pin CPU CONNECTION not at the top?? or any sandy bridge high end that its not their?? freaking 400r preventing me from a loop

Buy some cable extensions from Lutro0 customs. wink.gif
   
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What exactly does Z77 offer that Z68 gen 3 or P67 gen 3 doesn't have? I'm still confused if I need to upgrade my mobo to fully utilize ivy.
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What exactly does Z77 offer that Z68 gen 3 or P67 gen 3 doesn't have? I'm still confused if I need to upgrade my mobo to fully utilize ivy.

Native USB 3.0 and native PCI-E 3, however your board already supports those things. Some boards might have the Thunderbolt connection too which is nice, but really if you're already on a gen3 board you're not going to miss anything.
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