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Originally Posted by ramicio View Post

Programs that "require" a page file are poorly written, and IMO no program should have that level of access to know what's going on in the system. Programs of the nature of needing large amounts of memory should allocate their own swap space on disk after a set amount of RAM is taken up. I haven't used a page file since SSDs came out and I've never had a single application bug me about it, nor have I ever run out of memory...and I'm only on 16 GB. What isn't "wise" is going around telling everyone that they shouldn't disable their page file. I say try it out. Putting it on a RAM disk is just stupid.

What would be ideal in a perfect world and what happens in reality are two different things. That's like complaining about all applications not perfectly scaling with more cores so that IPC shouldn't even matter to consumers. Unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world where every program is perfectly designed.

Not running into these errors while having a page file disabled just means you haven't used any of these apps that throw a fit when there is none. I disable the page file frequently, enjoying the smoothness it provides but ultimately end up having to re-enable it whenever I run into one of these apps. Now go ask Mark Russinovich if it's wise to permanently disable the pagefile and he'll also tell you that it's ridiculous. Go read the Tom's Hardware article on why you shouldn't disable the pagefile if you're looking for more examples on why it isn't wise to tell people to disable the pagefile indefinitely.

Right now my pagefile is disabled but when I want to go play MechWarrior Online, I'll go back and re-enable it. It'll be put on my RAMDisk of course though, to prevent micro-stuttering.
Edited by Wonky Sausage - 11/10/12 at 9:54pm
post #172 of 231
I've never run into a program and complains. Any "pro" level programs I use even have their own settings for swap. Applications like games have no business knowing that deep of info about the system. I don't really care what a bunch of biased people have to say about why not to disable it. What I have to say is that people should try it for themselves. It's not needed for the majority of people, and it's an ancient, pointless relic.
 
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post #173 of 231
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I've never run into a program and complains. Any "pro" level programs I use even have their own settings for swap. Applications like games have no business knowing that deep of info about the system. I don't really care what a bunch of biased people have to say about why not to disable it. What I have to say is that people should try it for themselves. It's not needed for the majority of people, and it's an ancient, pointless relic.
x2 I only enable it atm cause I have to for when I accidentally run too many VMs and forget I only have 8GB of RAM lol. Otherwise I have no use/need for page file myself.
post #174 of 231
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Originally Posted by ramicio View Post

I've never run into a program and complains. Any "pro" level programs I use even have their own settings for swap. Applications like games have no business knowing that deep of info about the system. I don't really care what a bunch of biased people have to say about why not to disable it. What I have to say is that people should try it for themselves. It's not needed for the majority of people, and it's an ancient, pointless relic.

That's fine for geeks who know what they're doing, like people on OCN. For the average user though, I wouldn't go around disabling their page files. I also disable it when I can get away with it. Putting it on a RAM disk is perfectly fine too.
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Putting it on a RAM disk is just circular logic. Normal people like old ladies who surf the web for some news and check e-mail are the users who should, more than anyone, not have a page file.
 
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Putting it on a RAM disk is just circular logic. Normal people like old ladies who surf the web for some news and check e-mail are the users who should, more than anyone, not have a page file.

Do we really need to explain to you how beneficial it is to use a RAM Disk instead of a HDD for a page file again? You're apparently one of those people who just love to argue for the sake of it, so there's no point continuing this because of your limited selection of apps you choose to confine yourself to. This is the real world where not everything is made to perfection. It's not just apps requiring a page file, it's Windows throwing up out of memory errors when there's still Gigs free of space available.
post #177 of 231
Here we go. Just get enough RAM and don't use a page file...period. Get better applications or get an SSD. I don't confine myself to a limited selections of applications. I have all of the applications I need to complete the tasks I use my computer for. I've never once had any program complain about not having a page file, and I've never had Windows tell me that I'm almost out of memory gigs before it ran out. The only problem I ever had was with chkdsk on Windows 7 allocating every byte it scanned into memory and running out of memory. Microsoft denied any wrongdoing in that program design and BSed the public that it's how the program was supposed to function, but it was normal users with page files who had problems.
 
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It's not just apps requiring a page file, it's Windows throwing up out of memory errors when there's still Gigs free of space available.

Windows will freak out when you reach your commit limit. The page file increases it, but what happens when you place the page file on a ram drive? Do the math...
post #179 of 231
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Here we go. Just get enough RAM and don't use a page file...period. Get better applications or get an SSD. I don't confine myself to a limited selections of applications. I have all of the applications I need to complete the tasks I use my computer for. I've never once had any program complain about not having a page file, and I've never had Windows tell me that I'm almost out of memory gigs before it ran out. The only problem I ever had was with chkdsk on Windows 7 allocating every byte it scanned into memory and running out of memory. Microsoft denied any wrongdoing in that program design and BSed the public that it's how the program was supposed to function, but it was normal users with page files who had problems.

Your anecdotal, "I've never experienced it, therefore it doesn't exist" arguments aren't relevant here. Break out of that tiny box you confine yourself to.
I like your I've never had it but then explain how you have had it happen story btw; with an OS app, at that.

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Windows will freak out when you reach your commit limit. The page file increases it, but what happens when you place the page file on a ram drive? Do the math...

Yeah, this is the part where I agree with the OP on. Don't do it when you only have 4GB of RAM.
Edited by Wonky Sausage - 11/13/12 at 12:55am
post #180 of 231
Your anecdotal, as well, pot, "I've experienced it, therefore it applies to everyone" argument is pretty irrelevant. Break out of your tiny box and realize that the page file is a relic from when RAM was crazy expensive, only 2 GB could be installed, and programming was blatantly inefficient. Why is it so hard to understand that putting the page file on a RAM disk is going to make things freak out just as bad as if you disable it? You're still confined to whatever amount of RAM is installed.
 
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