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You really are something... There's only half a dozen other people here giving examples of applications that complain about a missing page file already. Or just look at the comment below your previous one to realize how poorly Windows handles memory management that it freaks out over inactive memory allocation. Telling me to break out of the box? Haha, I'm not the one confining them-self to a select few apps and refuses to try anything beyond that. Even Windows core OS apps suffer from poor memory management, as you reluctantly admitted using but somehow never ran into at the same time.

I have a laptop with 4GB that gets out of memory popups when the page file is disabled with nothing but the bare Windows 7 OS and Firefox running. Windows' memory manager may be a relic of bad design decisions compared to modern OSs like UNIX and Linux but here in the real world sticking your head in the sand won't solve those problems. Most end-users tend to have so much bloatware running in the background sucking up memory that they would have no clue as to why they would be getting out of memory errors with typical usage. Disabling their page files would only create frustration for them.

As long as I'm not running into memory allocation problems with my 16GB of system RAM, which has only happened during a memory leak in an app awhile ago(which just ends up getting killed), placing the page file on a RAM Disk has been nothing but smooth sailing, especially compared to the stuttering caused by placing it on a HDD as experienced by more than a few of us here.
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I'm something? You keep repeating the same idiocy and implying that my computer usage is prison-like. You seem to think that I have some purpose built machine and use it for a narrow band of tasks, and that I am frustratingly confining myself to certain applications just to avoid using a page file. The applications people belly ache over complaining about the page file are 99% always games. For the majority of them, those applications might as well be called governments, because their development is so compartmentalized it's ridiculous. It's a wonder they don't need to run on a specific machine with specific things installed on an OS. Oh wait, for the best experiences they do...they're called consoles. Another thing for people to waste money on. I don't game. I don't game not because of "confining myself to a world of no page file." I don't play games because I simply have no interest in video games of any sort, from consoles to PC games to games on a smartphone.

Windows manages memory just fine.

What Windows core OS app did I admit using? A disk scanner? It's not an application, it's a part of the filesystem. There is no reason why it should allocate to memory every byte it scans. And as I pointed out, people who don't even mess with their page files have the same problem. It's a blatant memory leak.

Wow, a laptop with 4 GB of memory complaining about a disabled page file. What do you expect with only 4 GB? We're not talking about 4 GB of RAM, we're talking about non-amateur numbers like 16 GB and above. Amounts that even games shouldn't take up.

People aren't as stupid about bloatware as they once were. The non-tech-savvy people are learning to finally do things for themselves. An even better case to disable the page file.

Placing the page file on a RAM disk is just pointless. If you have a memory leak you're still going to hit an error. If you need a page file that bad and at the same time illogically like large amounts of RAM, then you need to get with the times and get an SSD.
 
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Windows throwing up memory errors when there's 2 Gigs of free memory when the only non Microsoft app running is Firefox isn't managing memory "just fine". UNIX doesn't need to allocate inactive virtual memory to function... In case you haven't realized by now, the chkdsk exe is an app. The average user has not improved their habits; even more non tech-savvy users are using computers now than ever before. Wasting PE cycles is what isn't logical, I already write enough to them daily. Having large amounts of RAM is beneficial to my usage patterns.
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Chkdsk is a function of the filesystem. It's not an "app." Your mistake is thinking there is 2 gigs free and not realizing that's now how it works. Of course Windows is going to let you know that RAM is running low when it can't put it anywhere else. It shouldn't even use a page file until it runs out or RAM. That behavior I would be fine with. I don't care for people defending its use of swapping old, stale pages to disk thinking that is any faster than just dumping it completely from memory and having to reload a certain program. I really don't know what you expected to happen on a system with only 4 GB.
 
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Oh I dunno, wait till there's no available space left before suspending the app and giving you the option of killing it or other apps like normal OSs do? I'm sorry you can't commit that extra 10GB of nothingness Windows. I guess I should just let you pretend to allocate it on my HD, even though you don't actually expand the Page File to that size. Hence why putting it on a RAM Disk works.
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Quote:
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Your anecdotal, as well, pot, "I've experienced it, therefore it applies to everyone" argument is pretty irrelevant. Break out of your tiny box and realize that the page file is a relic from when RAM was crazy expensive, only 2 GB could be installed, and programming was blatantly inefficient. Why is it so hard to understand that putting the page file on a RAM disk is going to make things freak out just as bad as if you disable it? You're still confined to whatever amount of RAM is installed.

No, do not disable the paging file if you want to ensure your system operates. There is little benefit in disabling it.

Paging file is not a relic from the past. Running Linux servers with 256GB RAM and we still have paging files enabled.

Running a paging file on a RAMDisk is different from just disabling. When running the paging file on the RAMDisk, the OS thinks it has a higher commit level that it can actually provide. Read Mark Russinovich's (Windows kernel developer) blogs... he absolutely know more about this topic than you.
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confusedsmiley.png My system doesn't operate?!?! Oh no! I guess I should enable my "paging" file right away! Oh my word! rolleyessmileyanim.gif

Page files are a relic from the past. You're talking about a server, not a damn desktop.

I never said it wasn't different, but if you run out of RAM with no page file, enabling it and putting it on a RAM disk is going to give you the same results. If you think you need a page file, get an SSD and put your OS install on that.
 
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Please keep this discussion on topic. The thread is about the location of the page file, not if its needed it not.

It's been argued many times and the fact remains that certain applications check for a page file and won't open without one.

Let's keep this discussion to the pros and cons of storing the page file on a RAMDisk.
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confusedsmiley.png My system doesn't operate?!?! Oh no! I guess I should enable my "paging" file right away! Oh my word! rolleyessmileyanim.gif
Page files are a relic from the past. You're talking about a server, not a damn desktop.
I never said it wasn't different, but if you run out of RAM with no page file, enabling it and putting it on a RAM disk is going to give you the same results. If you think you need a page file, get an SSD and put your OS install on that.

1) Your needs and experiences are not everyones.
2) 99.9999% of users can leave the paging file enabled without effect.
3) How is paging file a relic from the past if it is still implemented in most OS and still relevant? Go petition OS developers and tell them to stop utilize paging files if you feel so strongly about this.... but do you have OS development background?
4) What's the difference between a server and desktop that would make a paging file irrelevant?
5) Again, not quite. The commit levels are different.
6) A paging file on a HDD is still better than no paging file.

Can you provide a legit and proven reason why not to use a paging file?
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