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Hey everyone. After drooling over the thought of having a nasty fast computer, and wanting to switch over from Xbox gaming to PC gaming, I finally settled in on a plan to build my computer. I am pretty set on using an AMD processor since I am on a budget, and I have done alot of research. I'm pretty sure I know what I want, but I'm extremely new to the computer world and more opinions never hurts! Basically what I'd like to use the PC for is, like I said, gaming. Other things would be occasional internet streaming and school documents (Word, Excel), but no encoding or anything like that. I am also interested in overclocking, but at the moment, my budget doesn't support a super high end cooler so I'll have to settle with a mild overclock. I would like to hear what you guys have to say about the list I came up with. My biggest concern as of now is bottlenecking CPU/GPU with each other. Any other thoughts, questions, and suggestions are greatly appreciated. I am currently working to gain the money to build this rig, and when I get my budget I'll post pictures and comments in this same thread. My budget is around $600, give or take some. Without further adue, the parts list:

AMD Phenom II x4 955BE (also thinking about the 960T)
ASRock 970 Extreme 4 Motherboard
Coolmax 600W CL Power Supply
Apevia Mid-ATX Case (Comes with 3, 120mm case fans)
(I have a 500GB IDE hard drive from an old computer, will be using that for storage along with a PCI-->IDE card)
Ultra ChillTEC CPU Cooler
TWO ATI Radeon 5770's in Crossfire
Corsair 8GB 1600MHz RAM
Standard OEM DVD Drive

I probably forgot something on the list, hopefully I didn't. Let me know what you guys think!
post #2 of 25
Yes get the 960T.

OR if you're buying in the next day or two, check out the NCIX deals with the 1055T and motherboard combos (around 200 for both)

Also, have you weighed out the costs for getting an 990FX chipset with 8+2 phases? check out the VRM information list here

Also recommend Getting a single card and crossfire/SLI that later in the future.

Also haven't heard of /read reviews of Coolmax PSUs
should look into Seasonic and Seasonic rebranded PSUs (eg Corsair/XFX)
Or even some OCZ/Antec/Cooler Master or Rosewill PSUs.

Hyper 212+ is cheap.
And you can find better cases in the $40-50 range. eg. NZXT 210 Antec 300
Edited by SpiritGear - 1/3/12 at 1:17pm
 
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+1 for the 960T. Why? The 955 is a quad core but the 960t is a hexa-core with 2 cores disabled. Its not for sure u can unlock them, but at the same price, why not take the chance? Also it has a lower tdp.
 
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Originally Posted by SpiritGear View Post

Yes get the 960T.
Also, have you weighed out the costs for getting an 990FX chipset with 8+2 phases?
Also recommend Getting a single card and crossfire/SLI that later in the future.
And you can find better cases in the $40-50 range. eg. NZXT 210 Antec 300

My problem with the 1055T is the locked multiplier, along with the lower clock speed compared to the 955/960T. Most games can't utilize 6 cores yet and I'd assume that running 4 cores on a higher clock speed would be more beneficial. The 1055T is running @ 2.8Ghz stock and the 960T running @ 3.1 stock (non-turbo). That is an amazing price though =(

I thought the new FX chipsets were horrible. I've been reading reviews on "faildozers".

Why do you recommend getting the single card first?
Edited by WebsterXC - 1/3/12 at 2:42pm
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I'm referring to the 990FX motherboards which are the higher tier 8+2 phase motherboards.

Locked multipliers overclocks with the BLCK.
The X6 BLCK isn't limited like Sandy bridge so the overclock is still respectable (though it is indeed lower binned). Also requires more work.
Recommending because of deals available @ NCIX.

Also single GPU because you can get a 2GB 6950 for around $210 when on sale. Not sure about the price of 5770s but the price/performance will be similar to CF 5770 and you can still get another card to crossfire in the future. With dual 5770's you're stuck with no extra upgrade options. you'll have to throw away 2 cards because the 5770's can't tri/quadfire.
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I replied to your pm. All of these are great options but it all comes down to budget. If you look hard you can snag up a phenom II X4 840 like I have and it can take you quite a ways. I have mine clocked to 4.1ghz now but was running at 4.3. Slowed it down as I am not gaming for now. I have 2x sapphiore hd6850's in crossfire and both overclocked to 925/1130 and when I do game it is mostly BF3 and I get Awesome game play. I have about the same if not better performance than one hd6950 and thats really all I need. I am not gaming with eyefinity or anything like that and not sure if you plan on it (3 monitors) the 840 is probably somewhere around $70 usd right now and you could spend the extra on a h80 cooler or something. (i have the h100 lapped and cpu also lapped and love it) The 960t might be a little more future proof as it is possibly a 6 core but its also $50 more smile.gif choices choices just giving my 2cents friend. good luck and let us know what you decide!
    
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Well I think I may combine both your ideas. You both have great points. So right now I'm convinced to go the x4 840 route, because I can pick one up for $60. However, I will drop both 5770's and see if I can find a Radeon 6950 on sale or lightly used around the classifieds here. I ran through some benchmarks and reviews and I should be satisfied with the 6950. I forgot to mention that most of my gaming will be single player (Fallout, Skyrim) with an occasional multiplayer (I'm a Crysis geek). That leaves me alot of room for coolers, I may splurge and buy an H100, however I can settle for the H80 too if I have any unforseen expenses. All this is prices in the store mind you. If there's a great deal here on the forums or a sale on another website, I'm going to jump on it and save myself some cash, even though I'm not building the whole system yet. My only issue is I'm very nervous about buying computer parts used, especially motherboards and processors. They're so sensitive to static electricity and you can't tell whether their dead or not. =(
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the 840 is a good decision for budget builds and if you properly overclock it like mine (4.1ghz) or even 4ghz I believe that 6950 will be just fine. Now the thing is I do not know how far you could take it. I dont believe you could run 2x6950's with an 840 without some sort of bottle neck but if thats not an issue then by all means save some money and get that h80/100 and overclock away! Glad to help ya man if you need it.
    
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In that case. why not go for a Phenom X2 5xx (which possibly unlocks to a quad core). Dual cores are good enough for gaming and you can still get high overclocks on the X2.

the X4 840 is a re-branded Athlon whereas the X2 5xx is a true phenom II. (much like how the 960t is actually a Thuban)

I think pairing an x4 840 with a H100 and 6950 is a little silly though.
You're also going to be OCing with the BCLK like the X6 1055T NCIX deal I mentioned.

If you really wanted to save money. The best deal is for the i3 2100 + $50 off a 1155 motherboard (Microcenter)
This CPU will match the Phenom II's up to 3.7GHz without the cost of a HSF and will play current games quite nicely.

That's about $165 (pretax) for the i3 and a cheap H67 that can crossfire.
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I disagree. Most games r programmed for 4 threds, personnaly i would chose an athlon x4 over a phenom x2 any day. Also if u get a 960t u can always leave as is for now and try to unlock in the future when software makes better use of 6 cores. Also as i said it has a lower tdp then other x4s
 
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