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It's not a bad chip by any means. And it's brand new so it should (most likely) get better from now on.
I'm guessing when you say that you mean as they release newer chips and not what we have already bought? can the current bulldozer like I have just bought be improved if needed in anyways? windows updates? bios updates etc?

I ment both Windows/BIOS updates and as they release new chips.
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Near useless? how is a 4/6/8 core cpu useless? what are you trying to do with it?! even it it isn't on par with an i5 or i7 I find "useless" being a huuuuuuge exaggeration? tongue.gif

Maybe not useless, but i don't see why anyone would buy a BD chip over a 2500k/2600k.
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definately not a bad chip previously i had phenom 1090T and after 3 months i got FX-6100, haters gonna hate it fx-6100 is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy faster then 1090T in gaming, video encoding and 3d mental ray rendering, and the people here are n00b enough to compare a 200$ chip with a 380$ chip, as they have compared it, in heavy games fx-8120 is faster then 2500k and 2600k
benchmarks-
BATTLEFIELD 3 ULTRA
AMD FX-8120 (non oced)
Gigabyte 990fx-UD3
Asus gtx 560ti
FPS - Avg 83 Max 90
AMD FX-6100 (non oced)
Gigabyte 990fx-UD3
Asus gtx 560ti
FPS - Avg 62 Max 73
AMD Phenom II x6 1090T (non oced)
Gigabyte 880gm-usb3l
Asus gtx 560ti
FPS - Avg 51 Max 58
Intel i5 2500k (non oced)
Asus rampage III extreme
Asus gtx 560ti
FPS - Avg 61 Max 70
Intel i7 2600k (non oced)
Asus rampage III extreme
Asus gtx 560ti
FPS - Avg 67 Max 73
source : anandtech.com

Can't find those numbers.

And proof.gif for your other statements?
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But where has all the hate came from with the new Bulldozer chips? i've only just built my FX6100 system and am truly amazed how quick this system is especially for the value too, so yeah, i'm a bit confused?... ...It makes me a bit sad as I'm a VERY happy AMD FX owner who used to always stick with Intel, why can't some people let others be happy with what they bought? I love my new FX6100 system!

I don't 'hate' bulldozer or amd, I havent had a chance to try a bulldozer based cpu so everything I know about it comes from reviews. Unfortunately based on the reviews, I have trouble finding value in it. If I was going to build an AMD system right now, I would build an AM3 + 960T. I'm sure the 960T wouldn't be able to hit the same overclock as a Bulldozer but based on reviews (especially for gaming) I'm guessing a Phenom2 X4 @ 4.2ghz would be similar to a FX-6100 @ 4.6ghz. The 960T system would also cost less and use less power.

Iif you love it that's great. Maybe once I get some first hand experience my opinions will change. I would feel better about taking bulldozer for a spin if AMD dropped their FX cpu prices ~$50 across the board.
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Can't find those numbers.
And proof.gif for your other statements?

lol i have sold my phenom 1090T when i bought 6100, if you are interested it in detailed go buy a 1090T and a 6100
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lol i have sold my phenom 1090T when i bought 6100, if you are interested it in detailed go buy a 1090T and a 6100

According to Newegg, the FX 6100 can be bought for 160$.

The top of the line FX 8150 is 270$.

The Core i5-2500k is found at 220$.

For 50$ less than the flagship AMD CPU, you have an awesome overclocker gaming CPU.

Bulldozer's power consumption is enormous and should even be ashamed of itself once Ivy Bridge gets out.

There is little value to buying the AMD one when you can get a better, faster, cooler, and overall cheaper CPU by going with Intel. If AMD did just lessen the power consumption, throw the "MOAR COARS" gimmick in the do-not-recycle bin and focused on making budget oriented and great values CPU, I am sure a lot of lads would rush on them.

And please support your arguments or else you would just pass as a troll.
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Originally Posted by OC3D 
To say we're disappointed is to understate things. It's not that the Bulldozer FX8150 is poor when compared to the LGA1155 processors, it's not good when compared to AMDs own Phenom II X6.
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Originally Posted by hardware.fr 
La performance dans les jeux 3D est l'autre gros point noir puisqu'on ne note pas de gain par rapport aux Phenom II X4 et X6 alors que c'était leur principal défaut, si bien qu'un simple Core i3 avec 2 cœurs et Hyperthreading est légèrement plus rapide !

Sources :

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103962
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103960&Tpk=8150
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-fx-8150--8120-6100-and-4100-performance-review/
http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/amd_fx8150_cpu_review/1
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/842-1/amd-fx-8150-fx-6100-bulldozer-debarque-am3.html

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I have to say I was always a fan of AMD chips because i never had a problem with them, they always overclocked well and were much cheaper than intel. I had a 1090T and was waiting for BullDozer before i upgraded and i read reviews and saw it fell short of expectations. Considering the i5 2500k was just £30 more than the flagship BullDozer chip and i had been fancying a change to Intel after reading so many good reviews about SandyBridge I made the changer over.

I can tell you now I don't regret it one bit. Intel is finally affordable and Intel has won my custom. The chip is much faster, cooler and overclocks even better than my old AMD chip.

Bulldozer has negative reviews 1) Because it was supposed to be AMD's answer to SandyBridge and it wasn't. 2) Because its expensive for the performance you get 3) It was no better than what people already had and wanted to upgrade from


Honestly coming from a mutual background, if you try the i5 2500k or above, the performance difference is incredible. I used to love my 1090T and thought it was great until i got my new chip. Same with my graphics card...thought my 6950 was great and nothing would really beat it then i upgraded to a GTX580 and oh boy...

I think if you had upgraded rather than made a new system you would have realised why BD falls short of expectations but if you just built a new rig and came from no system / older system it would probably be a substancial upgrade regardless
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lol i have sold my phenom 1090T when i bought 6100, if you are interested it in detailed go buy a 1090T and a 6100

No thanks, sold my 955 BE and Crosshair V Formula and went Intel for about the same money as I would've spent on a 8120/50. But with higher power efficiency, overall higher performance (I don't really run cinebench all day) and some nice overclocking headroom.

I was just wondering where you got your facts and numbers.

@ OP:
BD was overhyped due to unfortunate and overzealous marketing on AMD's part (and excitement on AMD users's part). I think a few people even bought AM3+ boards to get right in to the action. However, when it launched it was a huge disappointment for many, including me in regards to performance and power consumption. That left a very bitter taste. Afterwards numerous excuses were brought up (ranging from bad BIOS's, schedulers, cache error, early stepping, inefficient design, 1.2 billion instead of 2 billion transistors) that really only made it worse.
They aren't bad but like pretty much all reviews conclude: it's hard to recommend them with current Intel offerings at the same price point (or lower) or even AMD's own Phenom II line.
However, they are more fun to overclock than a SB imho and being able to say you have 8 'cores' is pretty cool (whether or not they're 'real' cores is up to you).
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definately not a bad chip previously i had phenom 1090T and after 3 months i got FX-6100, haters gonna hate it fx-6100 is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy faster then 1090T in gaming, video encoding and 3d mental ray rendering, and the people here are n00b enough to compare a 200$ chip with a 380$ chip, as they have compared it, in heavy games fx-8120 is faster then 2500k and 2600k
benchmarks-
BATTLEFIELD 3 ULTRA
AMD FX-8120 (non oced)
Gigabyte 990fx-UD3
Asus gtx 560ti
FPS - Avg 83 Max 90
AMD FX-6100 (non oced)
Gigabyte 990fx-UD3
Asus gtx 560ti
FPS - Avg 62 Max 73
AMD Phenom II x6 1090T (non oced)
Gigabyte 880gm-usb3l
Asus gtx 560ti
FPS - Avg 51 Max 58
Intel i5 2500k (non oced)
Asus rampage III extreme
Asus gtx 560ti
FPS - Avg 61 Max 70
Intel i7 2600k (non oced)
Asus rampage III extreme
Asus gtx 560ti
FPS - Avg 67 Max 73
source : anandtech.com

Anandtech doesn't have battlefield 3 on its test suite...there is not a single respectable review site with Bulldozer BF3 performance significantly greater than SB. This isn't even a good benchmark since BF3 is so GPU limited everything performs very close to each other. Once you switch to CPU limited games, SB and even the older Phenom II's perform significantly better than bulldozer.

The main issue with bulldozer if you have an expensive CPU that performs worse than a much cheaper Intel option in all cases except highly threaded workstation applications. FX 8150 vs i5 2500k.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/434?vs=288

Even worse, its basically a tie when compared to the older and cheaper phenom II x6's. Even if you ignore the rest of the market, releasing a product that isn't actually an improvement over your existing products is a downright embarrassment.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/434?vs=203

Basically, you can get better performance for less with Intel's SB CPU's and you can get the same performance for MUCH less with AMD's own Phenom II's. Hence, why Bulldozer is generally regarded as a failure.

Anand's conclusion on bulldozer
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in lightly threaded scenarios, Bulldozer simply does not perform. To make matters worse, in some heavily threaded applications the improvement over the previous generation Phenom II X6 simply isn't enough to justify an upgrade for existing AM3+ platform owners...

more specifically, AMD needs better single threaded performance. Bulldozer didn't deliver that, and I'm worried that Piledriver alone won't be enough. ... It's no longer a question of whether AMD will return to the days of the Athlon 64, it simply must. Otherwise you can kiss choice goodbye.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/the-bulldozer-review-amd-fx8150-tested/11
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Here's the thing. You can't really blame AMD for that hype. AMD themselves never said anything in regards to Bulldozers performance, really. It was consumer hype from desperate hammer legion members.
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