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Day to day, maybe. But once you start getting into Crossfire/SLI, it shows. Not to mention higher power draw compared to Sandy Bridge.

For general tasks, maybe you don't tell the difference, But once you start pushing those chips, the FX 6100 will fail to a 2500k in everything (at the same clock speed), due to the architecture.
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:)7.74 for an 8 core chip is pathetic. My i5 scores 7.36 @4.5GHz. With only4 cores...

do you get 1.84 in single core or less ?
    
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In my own personal opinion the BD architecture is fine it just needs to be fine tuned.

The software needs to work with it, and the cores have to individually have power. No one wants 3 cores to be equal to 1 and a half intel cores.

AMD's CORES CORES CORES method is absolutely horrendous.
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Originally Posted by dixson01974 View Post

I didn't say that the patch will improve performance on them. I just saying that a FX 41** is actually a dual core, FX-61** is actually 3 cores and FX-81** is actually 4 cores and all of them have HTT cores.
EDIT
AMD found that add an actual core to there version of HTT will increase the performance.
Example
AMD with there version of HTT is like a 1.8 core per module.
Intel HTT is like 1.5 cores.
Now I think AMD is going to work on core vs. core on the next Gen of bulldozer, but only time will tell if I'm right or wrong.

if you cont the FX 81XX as a qaud core then you can't claim a "mini core is slower per clock then phenom II core"
Only a module could compare to a core then.
the second thread would still count as IPC the same way a Hyperthreading is counted as IPC for a core on intel.
    
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The software needs to work with it, and the cores have to individually have power. No one wants 3 cores to be equal to 1 and a half intel cores.
AMD's CORES CORES CORES method is absolutely horrendous.

Servers do.

ARM and Atom servers.
http://h17007.www1.hp.com/us/en/iss/110111.aspx
http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2011/07/18/seamicro-packs-768-cores-into-its-atom-server/
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post #36 of 115
I have an FX6100 too, and even though im limited to using it over Remote Desktop (while i wait for the funds for the rest of the stuff i need) im happy with it. I chose to go with FX instead of PII because i wanted to look forward and im not much of a 'gamer' and need the threading power.

Besides, EVERYONE who says the Intel variants are better are ONLY pointing to a gaming machine. Ok so Intel does gaming good. What of it? Just shut up and let someone have the system THEY want and dont ridicule them for it. I buy AMD because i CHOOSE to.
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It does make me chuckle though that every person bitc*ing about the fx chips in here (the amd cpu section) own an Intel i5 lol,
And like I said earlier, comparing my new fx6100 to my brother in laws i5 2500k system I have yet to see anything that runs better on the intel in day to day tasks/programs and games.
I paid £98 for my fx6100, much cheaper than the i5 2500k tongue.gif

For everyday purpose you won't see a difference, at least for now. You will see a difference if you do some heavy CPU work (one reason why people bought 2500K).

As for FM3 vs FM4 argument, it is actually AMD who insists on FM4 at the last minute.
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I dont know about you guys but my 8120 works great for me. It does everything I need it to do. I have a 2500K at work and I like them both the same. Actually I have a lot more fun with the BD because of overclocking whereas the i5 I can only up the multiplyer.

I cant get anywhere close to 5.25Ghz on my 2500K thats for sure.

I work with a lot of autoCAD and 3D Design application like autoDesk, SolidWorks and other applications like that. BD and SB both work very well with these applications. I also do some gaming in my free time and to be honest I cant notice a difference between the two cpu's.

I am very happy with both the 8120 and 2500K and am not disappointed with my BD purchase at all.

I think AMD is definitely going in a different direction and I think its a good thing. Once the BD architecture is optimized and bios are fine tuned and windows scheduler utilizes BD the way its supposed to, I think AMD will have an amazing chip. It just needs a little work just like Pentium and Phenom did when they first came out. Give it a little time guys. Phenom was in a much worse postition than BD was at release. Since release of BD I have been able to overclock and stabalize my 8120 500Mhz more than when I first got it. Since I have had my FX chip, the performance and stability has increased by the day.

You guys can talk about how much BD sucks and this and that and whatever, thats fine. Everyone has their own opinions. I garauntee that if you were to experience the FX chip for yourselves that you would hardly notice the difference and you would not be disappointed.

Anyway, I am very happy with my purchase and I support BD. If someone were to ask me if I would buy BD or SB then I would say SB because for one the chip has already been optimized and windows scheduler utilizes it the correct way and for two, it has better performance overall. Now if we were talking about SB and a fully optimized BD then I dont know. I would have to see the results of both but I am sure that the BD would hold its own when it comes to SB.

Like I said though, I am very happy with my FX chip and am not disappointed at all with its performance. One thing I would defintely recommend BD for is overclocking. If someone was to ask me what would be the best chip for overclocking then it would be BD hands down.

To me BD is a very decent chip and should satisfy most consumers out there. I defintely cant wait to see what AMD has in store for us down the road. I think BD is a good direction, they just need to get familiar with it and make the correct adjustments.

I like to hear others opinions on BD myself but I think it is child-like and immature to say that BD sucks when in fact you have zero experience with the BD architecture.
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It does make me chuckle though that every person bitc*ing about the fx chips in here (the amd cpu section) own an Intel i5 lol,
And like I said earlier, comparing my new fx6100 to my brother in laws i5 2500k system I have yet to see anything that runs better on the intel in day to day tasks/programs and games.
I paid £98 for my fx6100, much cheaper than the i5 2500k tongue.gif

That's because most people were AMD owners before and moved over to i5 when AMD let it's fans down frown.gif Its a shame, had BD been a good gaming chip, i would have stayed with AMD. Im glad it wasnt though as my i5 2500k is much better than i expected. Its flawless so far.
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if you cont the FX 81XX as a qaud core then you can't claim a "mini core is slower per clock then phenom II core"
Only a module could compare to a core then.
the second thread would still count as IPC the same way a Hyperthreading is counted as IPC for a core on intel.

If you look at it that way, then power draw is absolutely horrendous.
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Here's the thing. You can't really blame AMD for that hype. AMD themselves never said anything in regards to Bulldozers performance, really. It was consumer hype from desperate hammer legion members.

Remember this?

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Originally Posted by FK1983 View Post

It does make me chuckle though that every person bitc*ing about the fx chips in here (the amd cpu section) own an Intel i5 lol,
And like I said earlier, comparing my new fx6100 to my brother in laws i5 2500k system I have yet to see anything that runs better on the intel in day to day tasks/programs and games.
I paid £98 for my fx6100, much cheaper than the i5 2500k tongue.gif



There were a LOT of people that were waiting for BD that went SB after results came out.

Of course there are people that hate on everything, and BD is an easy target, but there are also people that just show facts objectively, and when it comes to BD it is seen as hate. Its not the posters fault the numbers are so low.
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