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Oh i have no doubt it will be better than water. Much better even if it sucks. But it cant compete with the big dogs of phase change. Mach II's and vapochills can go years between maintenece i dont think OCZ's will
I'm with you on this one.

A) It IS going to suck compared to any of the contemporary phase coolers like Prommies

B) It IS going to kick any type of air or H2O cooling square in the family jewels.

C) Maintenence is definately going to be a consideration. The reason the Prommies & Vapos can go so long without maintenence is because of high quality parts, and those cost $$$. OCZ has to cut corners somewhere, and that's where it will have to start.

Additionally, w/c + a slush box will indeed drop temps considerably below ambient, but I see that as a cooling solution FAR more finicky and complicated than a phase change system, not to mention most likely even more bulky than a phase changer.
    
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Exactly It goes with things like if you bought a $1300 refrigerator and a $300 refrigerator. The cheap one will fail before the expensive (with the exception of defects)
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post #53 of 66
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Oh i have no doubt it will be better than water. Much better even if it sucks.

Well, I never said water would beat it........I simply pointed out it would likely not be that much cooler, now that term is reletive...to me, if I can get mid 30s load temps on water, and this thing will give laod temps in the single digits, that may be "significant" to some, and definatly "better" than water......but with the additional risks and unique requirments, not to mention the ability of this thing to run 24/7 without premature failure........it's not worth it, not to me.
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I have limited knowage in water cooling, but it seems to be a waste without a TEC. With water you are never going to break abiment temps w/o somesort of 'slushbox' or TEC. You can break abiment temps on air with a cheap in window AC unit. If this phase change unit is going to ~$300 and it will cool 20C+ better than a $300 water cooling setup, isn't worth it?
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I have limited knowage in water cooling, but it seems to be a waste without a TEC. With water you are never going to break abiment temps w/o somesort of 'slushbox' or TEC.
Ok, water cooling will generally drop your load temps by about 15-20 degrees (depending on your set-up). It most certainly is not a waste without TEC.


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You can break abiment temps on air with a cheap in window AC unit.
Um, no. you can NEVER break ambient with air or water. It is a pyhsical impossibility. Both use the ambient air to cool themselves, therefore, they can never go under ambient. Now, your window AC unit idea would lower the actual ambient temperature, not increase the effectivness of the heatsink. Also, if you would like to do a study on the differences in power consumption between a standard water cooling pump and a window AC unit, I think you will find that the AC unit will cost a lot more money for the same results. To get 30c load temps on a air cooler you would need ambient temp to be about 10c......which means your entire room is around 10c.......think of what it would cost to keep your room at 10c constantly, and what it would be like to live in 10c temps LOL
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Ok, water cooling will generally drop your load temps by about 15-20 degrees (depending on your set-up). It most certainly is not a waste without TEC.




Um, no. you can NEVER break ambient with air or water. It is a pyhsical impossibility. Both use the ambient air to cool themselves, therefore, they can never go under ambient. Now, your window AC unit idea would lower the actual ambient temperature, not increase the effectivness of the heatsink. Also, if you would like to do a study on the differences in power consumption between a standard water cooling pump and a window AC unit, I think you will find that the AC unit will cost a lot more money for the same results. To get 30c load temps on a air cooler you would need ambient temp to be about 10c......which means your entire room is around 10c.......think of what it would cost to keep your room at 10c constantly, and what it would be like to live in 10c temps LOL
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Ok, water cooling will generally drop your load temps by about 15-20 degrees (depending on your set-up). It most certainly is not a waste without TEC.




Um, no. you can NEVER break ambient with air or water. It is a pyhsical impossibility. Both use the ambient air to cool themselves, therefore, they can never go under ambient. Now, your window AC unit idea would lower the actual ambient temperature, not increase the effectivness of the heatsink. Also, if you would like to do a study on the differences in power consumption between a standard water cooling pump and a window AC unit, I think you will find that the AC unit will cost a lot more money for the same results. To get 30c load temps on a air cooler you would need ambient temp to be about 10c......which means your entire room is around 10c.......think of what it would cost to keep your room at 10c constantly, and what it would be like to live in 10c temps LOL
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Haha look what i found on XS in THIS THREAD

Quote from OCZ Guy

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Ok,

This better be the last word on this until these units arrive for sale guys....I am so sick of hearing about how crappy this thing is going to be, I swear you guys have nothing better to do.

I don't recall anyone ever saying this thing will hold -60c with an FX-60 at 3GHz+, did we?
Since when do we owe anybody anything because this didn't hit the market when we had originally intended? Someone ask Hipro about bringing an ambition or idea to market....ask him how easy it is.
I saw the same types of comments about his Maximizer, everyone thought it was soooo easy and shouldn't be taking as long as it did.

Enough already....Ok? Deal? When its done, its done.

In regards to this unit at Harware Secrets.....they did not recieve one, the unit in the pictures is the Beta unit from 9 months ago and the photo's are taken in the OCZ test lab.
The dents, etc are from shipping it to CES and Cebit, compliments of the rough ride which caused it not to function.
The reviewer was in California visiting from South America and was intrigued by the unit, so he took some pictures and asked about the unit. Obviously he did not understand how the process works.

I repeat, this is not the new unit....it is the same Beta unit you all saw pictures of last spring.

Thanks
Aparently if you read the thread everyone at XS has the same look as i do on this thing lol. But the OCZ guy says some great hings in there lmao. And debunks the review as a fake
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Bump for the OCZ guys Pwnage lmao
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The very cold air produced by the equipment is blown to a copper block that is attached on top of the CPU.
That proves the person who reviewed it has no clue.
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