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5/14/12 at 5:36am

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ATF automatic transmission fluid has fairly good thermal conductivity (for petroleum products) and lubricating quality. It is also a non electrical conductor. It may even be cheaper than mineral oil. Ford AODE and GM 700R have the controller chips immersed in it. Dexron III and type F (10w) has a lower viscosity than Dexron IV (30W ). If you are handy with a lathe and mill... rigging a Small block chevy oil pump to move the fluid through a automatic transmission cooler would not be that challenging. The question is would it eat the mobo and any other plastic parts? If you like the color red It would be great.

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6/18/12 at 11:42am

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Using correct materials for tubing would stop the gunking. This is the oil breaking down the tube. Gasoline rated rubber tube will not gunk oil. Even some SI hose is oil rated.
As for oil\heat conductivity, use transformer oil. This oil is designed for this. But still not at waters ratings for heat.
Simply build a a better pump, a diesel tractor engine fuel pump is rated up-to 4psi typically. Can move about 1/2 gallon a minute. Which is better then most peoples computer water pumps.
Thermal Conductivity
(W/m K)
Transformer oil 0.110
Propylene glycol 0.147
Ammonia, saturated 0.507
Water, Fresh 0.609
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What kind of tractor are we talking? I'll be a fifth generation farmer and the fuel pumps on our smallest tractors are pretty damn big...and a good percentage of them are adjustable, you can turn em up to get a few extra ponies out of a tractor. The hydraulic pumps are even bigger...

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6/21/12 at 10:31am

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Scroll down a bit...
Oil = 0.138
Water = 0.6
Mercury = 8.3
If you wish to go out of the ordinary, mercury would be the way to go. Mineral oil has five time less thermal conductance than heat.
Hrmmm, mercury....

You might want to keep aluminum out of the system if you somehow get mercury running through it.

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7/16/12 at 1:52am

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Very interesting stuff, will check back.

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7/23/12 at 2:40pm

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Too thick. It's like trying to throw 15w-40 in a 5w-20 engine. It'll gurgle and stall. Your pump would burn out really fast too.

your wrong

pudget systems http://www.pugetsystems.com/submerged.php runs pumps on there systems and i have in the past the pump wont "burnout" as you put it because its essentially pushing lube through itself people have been pushing oil through a pump and rad back into their submerged system for quite some time now research before posting
oh yeah here is another source for ya-
http://www.hardcorecomputer.com/desktops/index.html
they use pumps to move the oil through tubes into a rad and back into the system as well

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7/23/12 at 3:01pm

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your wrong

pudget systems http://www.pugetsystems.com/submerged.php runs pumps on there systems and i have in the past the pump wont "burnout" as you put it because its essentially pushing lube through itself people have been pushing oil through a pump and rad back into their submerged system for quite some time now research before posting
oh yeah here is another source for ya-
http://www.hardcorecomputer.com/desktops/index.html
they use pumps to move the oil through tubes into a rad and back into the system as well

It all depends on the pump. If the pump/impeller can handle the viscosity.

Why it wont burn out has nothing to do with the pump "lubing" itself. The oil will never come in contact with the parts that need to be "lubed" as those are sealed bearings.

You need to do some research on what happens when a pump "burns out", yourself, sir.

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7/23/12 at 3:05pm

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It all depends on the pump. If the pump/impeller can handle the viscosity.
Why it wont burn out has nothing to do with the pump "lubing" itself. The oil will never come in contact with the parts that need to be "lubed" as those are sealed bearings.
You need to do some research on what happens when a pump "burns out", yourself, sir.

this is true it does depend on the pump and or viscosity and yeah sealed bearings totally went kaput out of my head
im man enough to say i forgot that fact

and he said
"Your pump would burn out really fast too."
not "a weak pump would burn out really fast too"
i just wanted to prove that this generalized statement was false thats all

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7/24/12 at 11:43am

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this is true it does depend on the pump and or viscosity and yeah sealed bearings totally went kaput out of my head
im man enough to say i forgot that fact

and he said
"Your pump would burn out really fast too."
not "a weak pump would burn out really fast too"
i just wanted to prove that this generalized statement was false thats all

just be careful not to answer a generalization with another gernalization

S'all good though.

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7/24/12 at 11:47am

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just be careful not to answer a generalization with another gernalization

S'all good though.

generalization

cal me the general

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aye captain.

anyways, back OT.

OP go with a submersible-oil system (research heavily first, there are pros and cons) and use a car rad or something similar cool the oil as it warms up.

Think of an open inlet/outlet where the pump just pulls from the etank and then cools it, an spits it back in the tank (no water blocks on anything).

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