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I am going through the same conversation myself. I went with the u2312hm because the price was better then the Samsung one. Could go eyefinity for the cost of one of those almost.

Yes it's such a pity the Samsung is so much more expensive. Where I live it is more than double the cost of the Dell. If only it were a little cheaper I would jump on it in a heartbeat. 120 fps!! Gahhh.
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Reponse time is merely how long it takes for a pixel to change from either BTB (Black, to white then back to black) or GTG (grey, to white then back to grey. This way is more common, as it results in lower numbers) and merely shows how much ghosting will be evident between frames, colour changes, etc.
Input lag refers to how long an input made takes to being shown on the display. I.E if we take a really extreme case, a monitor can have a response time of 2ms BTB, which would realistically have no visable ghosting at all. But have an input lag time of 1000ms. That would mean that you could press the letter 'G' on your keyboard, but it would take a whole second before it shown on the screen. Obviously that's a very dramatic example though. In real terms though if a monitor has a moderate amount of input lag games can feel weird, floaty almost, can make a lot of games difficult to play. But most monitors aren't this bad.
Yes the U2312HM is a 6-bit display (same as TN panels). This is one of the downsides to the e-IPS compared to 'real' IPS panel displays. 6 bit displays can only truely show 262,000 colours (out of a possible 16.7 million colours) and it will generate the other 16.5 million colours by dithering the 262,000 colours it can produce. IMO this looks horrible and I really can't stand it, however, if you don't notice it on your current TN panel, then it really won't be an issue.

Thanks for the very informative post! Well, I don't have any problems with the colour reproduction on my current monitor so I guess 6-bit or not is a non-issue then. I lack discernment when it comes to monitors. LOL.

I would really like to see 120Hz in person but all the display units of the Samsung I see in the stores are run by HDMI. -_-
    
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If you're gaming I'd have to say 120hz hands down, just keep in mind you need the vidcard oomph to back it thumb.gif

This is what makes the IPS v 120Hz decision easier. At the same rez you will need twice the gpu horsepower.
FPS 120fps is amazing.
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Ahhh when will be get a 120hz IPS! biggrin.gif
    
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This is what makes the IPS v 120Hz decision easier. At the same rez you will need twice the gpu horsepower.
FPS 120fps is amazing.

I think my 6970 can handle it! It's exceeding 60fps on all the games I play now. It would be great to actually be able to see those extra frames.
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Ahhh when will be get a 120hz IPS! biggrin.gif

I probably couldn't afford it even if it came out. tongue.gif
    
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I think you may want to get another 6970 to really appreciate the full effect of 120Hz gaming. My two 580's still don't average anywhere near 120fps in games like Crysis 2 (106fps) or BF3 (98fps) at max graphical settings...
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I think you may want to get another 6970 to really appreciate the full effect of 120Hz gaming. My two 580's still don't average anywhere near 120fps in games like Crysis 2 (106fps) or BF3 (98fps) at max graphical settings...

Oh yes I'm not expecting to get anything near 120fps on games like MW3 etc. But the games that I play most often are far less demanding and I get >120fps. biggrin.gif
    
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Get one of the 120Hz Samsung's. They are the best monitors I've ever used. The picture quality is much better than my HP ZR30W 30" IPS.
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Get one of the 120Hz Samsung's. They are the best monitors I've ever used. The picture quality is much better than my HP ZR30W 30" IPS.

This is what is wrong with most info regarding monitors. It's biased, vague and misleading.

Yes, the samsung might be better many aspects of IQ, the average gamer might possibly also consider it "prettier", but in the end, what it comes down to is personal preference. The ZR30W is superior in terms of resolution and viewing angles at least in terms of the attributes anyone would notice. Both a part of the IQ. What if you made this comment to someone with different preferences than you have? What if that person is like me, and quite literally can't stand first person games on resolutions as low as 1080p (1600p on an LCD is still annoyingly low, having used to the look of a CRT) because of how limited it makes your vision in game? What if I enjoy gaming from a few different perspectives and can't handle TN viewing angles? What if I want to somehow utilize the wider gamut? You can't just simply say one of the two is superior in terms of IQ, even if it is only your opinion. Which has the specific attributes you desire from the monitor is personal preference, and that varies quite a bit. This is why I don't approve of people just simplifying to X is better than Y. That's misleading. Why can't you actually help the person understand what is superior or inferior instead of just X > Y? I'm sure a few sentences could hold your main ideas on the topic well enough to be worthy of typing out.



I'd still agree with the suggestion for the Samsung. It's a fantastic monitor.
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For dark scenes, IPS will generally let you see more gradients and shades of black or white compared to TN. However, IPS will never give you that super deep, dark black of other panels like plasmas. For movies, IPS may be better if you are watching with others due to viewing angles. If you are watching mostly by yourself, IPS will provide less of a benefit.

If you are mostly going to play faster action games and can deal with a little less color accuracy, the Samsung will be better for your uses. 120 Hz will provide more motion fluidity in fast action scenes.
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This is what is wrong with most info regarding monitors. It's biased, vague and misleading.
Yes, the samsung might be better many aspects of IQ, the average gamer might possibly also consider it "prettier", but in the end, what it comes down to is personal preference. The ZR30W is superior in terms of resolution and viewing angles at least in terms of the attributes anyone would notice. Both a part of the IQ. What if you made this comment to someone with different preferences than you have? What if that person is like me, and quite literally can't stand first person games on resolutions as low as 1080p (1600p on an LCD is still annoyingly low, having used to the look of a CRT) because of how limited it makes your vision in game? What if I enjoy gaming from a few different perspectives and can't handle TN viewing angles? What if I want to somehow utilize the wider gamut? You can't just simply say one of the two is superior in terms of IQ, even if it is only your opinion. Which has the specific attributes you desire from the monitor is personal preference, and that varies quite a bit. This is why I don't approve of people just simplifying to X is better than Y. That's misleading. Why can't you actually help the person understand what is superior or inferior instead of just X > Y? I'm sure a few sentences could hold your main ideas on the topic well enough to be worthy of typing out.
I'd still agree with the suggestion for the Samsung. It's a fantastic monitor.

The OP want's a monitor for gaming, specifically FPS. 120Hz is a boon for that and the Samsung IMO is the best 1080P 120Hz monitor. I have owned/used dozens and dozens of monitors over the last decade. Playing a FPS on a 30" 60Hz just doesn't cut it for me. I have never seen a competitive FPS player using a 30" 60Hz.

The pro's and con's of each can be found in this thread, on this forum, and all over the internet. No need for me to rehash the same information.
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