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Nvidia will do just fine. However, they will definitely lose market share to AMD just as they did when 5870 had the lead. Looking at the facts, I don't think Kepler will be demoed any time soon - it only recently taped out and I don't believe prototypes are available. By comparison, Fermi took a year after tapeout to be released and had several prototypes that failed.
I'll be happy either way though. Not having brand loyalty means that all news is good news.

I concur. they will no doubt will lose market share based from the release of the 58xx series in the beginning. Since Nvidia is indeed late to the party, they can fine tune and improve Kepler based on what the HD7xxx has shown. If Kepler is successful then they might have a chance like always in gaining back market share. It has always been a tug of war. As always, with this level of competition, we all benefit from improved and better performance from both parties.
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Killed nvidia? ATI was one that got killed. Case and point show me an ati 5870.
BFG put themselves business. XFX stop making motherboards. EVGA not closing any time soon. EVGA leads the way! thumb.gif


Where were you guys when the 5870 came out and nvidia had nothing to compete with, sleeping? Yes it happened.

When the 5870 was selling it was selling against the GTX275, show me one of those.
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Damned right they're concerned. The 7970 is knocking down doors and not taking names. They are not in a bad position though imo, they know where the line has been drawn.
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NVIDIA is absolutely killing AMD in the very high-margin and growing GPGPU world though.
GCN is a great attempt by AMD to address this.... but they lack software support!

Talking about gaming cards and board partners. If you only sell nvidia and not both cards would you be concerned if AMD takes a lead in tech? If not you would be a poor business man.
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Originally Posted by xoleras View Post

Nvidia will do just fine. However, they will definitely lose market share to AMD just as they did when 5870 had the lead. Looking at the facts, I don't think Kepler will be demoed any time soon - it only recently taped out and I don't believe prototypes are available. By comparison, Fermi took a year after tapeout to be released and had several prototypes that failed.
I'll be happy either way though. Not having brand loyalty means that all news is good news.

I concur. they will no doubt will lose market share based from the release of the 58xx series in the beginning. Since Nvidia is indeed late to the party, they can fine tune and improve Kepler based on what the HD7xxx has shown. If Kepler is successful then they might have a chance like always in gaining back market share. It has always been a tug of war. As always, with this level of competition, we all benefit from improved and better performance from both parties.

I don't think nVidia will suffer all that much from the HD 7970. It will most likely hijack the GTX 580 sales but the pricing of the SKU is nowhere near as aggressive as the 5870 was. Moreover, the enthusiast market is not really where the money is at. (e.g: How many 6970s, 580s, 5870s and 480s are in pre built systems?)

Remember this, nVidia's milking cow a.k.a G92 was killed by Juniper (5700s) and due to the aggressive pricing of the 5870 and 5850 nVidia had to sell the high end cards at a loss to stay competitive (this they refused and decided to EOL everything above the GTX 260 C216). AMD is not dominating the market at this point, they only took the crown. For now tongue.gif...
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Do you have any specific examples of this GPGPU stuff. What applications are you talking about? I'm curious wink.gif
I was under the impression that the GTX 580 is nearly exclusive to high end PC enthusiasts.

High-frequency trading.
 
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The HPC stuff, like supercomputers, nVidia even had some medical application with GT200 series with some scanner.
Same very chip used in 580 is also later used in Quadro and Tesla lines, profit margins of those are unreal, compared to gaming cards.

Ah, gotcha.
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Not really. XFX was an nvidia only board maker for some time. Then they wanted to sell AMD based cards as well -- this is where nvidia bullied them and basically said, "If you sell AMD cards you cannot sell Fermi.". XFX is not as large as MSI or asus and thus did not have any leverage.
XFX went on to sell AMD cards, nvidia threw a hissy fit and then XFX dropped nvidia (after being bullied).
From my recollection, it was scumbag bullying tactics on nvidias part.

That is not exactly accurate.

XFX didn't get fermi GPUs because nvidia didn't produce enough at the start, and they were in a hurry to push the cards out.
So nvidia supplied the GPUs mostly to the big manufacturers, and told XFX to wait.

XFX also said that when they were asked "whats going on with you?" when they stopped making motherboards and had issues with PSUs, and people though they were going the BFG way.
They said that nvidia just wouldn't supply them GPUs because of shortage, and they felt pushed aside.

That is when XFX demanded GPUs or they will go to ATI. That didn't scare nvidia, and so XFX moved to ATI, and dropped their exclusive contract with nvidia (which they tried to open to no success).
ATI happily supplied them with GPUs instead of nvidia. They needed as many partners as they could on the 5xxx series.

Nvidia just didn't agree to open the contract they had which forced XFX to make only nvidia cards in the first place (so I wouldn't call it "bullied").

Besides, XFX isn't the best company out there, so its not that of a big loss for them to go to ATI.
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XFX might not be the best GFX card maker out there but they do have some interesting non-reference designs. At least I have not spotted similar products from other makers so perhaps even unique products - like, for example, the 5770 and 6770 cards with 5x mini display port connectors allowing relatively cheap option for connecting 5 displays.
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That is not exactly accurate.
XFX didn't get fermi GPUs because nvidia didn't produce enough at the start, and they were in a hurry to push the cards out.
So nvidia supplied the GPUs mostly to the big manufacturers, and told XFX to wait.
XFX also said that when they were asked "whats going on with you?" when they stopped making motherboards and had issues with PSUs, and people though they were going the BFG way.
They said that nvidia just wouldn't supply them GPUs because of shortage, and they felt pushed aside.
That is when XFX demanded GPUs or they will go to ATI. That didn't scare nvidia, and so XFX moved to ATI, and dropped their exclusive contract with nvidia (which they tried to open to no success).
ATI happily supplied them with GPUs instead of nvidia. They needed as many partners as they could on the 5xxx series.
Nvidia just didn't agree to open the contract they had which forced XFX to make only nvidia cards in the first place (so I wouldn't call it "bullied").
Besides, XFX isn't the best company out there, so its not that of a big loss for them to go to ATI.
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XFX might not be the best GFX card maker out there but they do have some interesting non-reference designs. At least I have not spotted similar products from other makers so perhaps even unique products - like, for example, the 5770 and 6770 cards with 5x mini display port connectors allowing relatively cheap option for connecting 5 displays.

He means that the loss of XFX isn't as big as the loss of for example Asus, MSI or EVGA.
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