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please correct me if I am wrong but this case is almost like it has a built in pedestal and top extension because of the separate heat zones and how they are mounted in the case? And can you fit another radiator in the front of the case with the flexbays for a total of 5 radiators in one case?

I am thinking that it could be nice to have the 4 middle flexbays used for just fans to have airflow along with the watercooling.....ice cold. Im also thinking that you can have a dual radiator loop for the GPUs and then if running a SR2 have a radiator for each.
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Yes you can do 5 radiators in an STH10 with the optional front bay mount. Yes the top and bottom heat chambers are like pedestals. You can also buy additional pedestals if you want more cooling too smile.gif You can also mount rads to the 120.3 mounts at the top and bottom of the motherboard chamber, however they may not get fresh air depending how you set it up. Yes you can do two or many more than two loops if you want
     
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yea what i meant is a loop for each CPU plus a gpu loop so 3 total.

It seems to me like the STH10 is a better value in some ways than the TH10 cause of the separate heat zones built into the case. However, how many radiators can the TH10 take without pedestals? One thing i did notice is that the HDD cage in the STH10 has no fan....is that going to make much of a difference? I have always had a fan on my hard drives.

the MH10 can also go to HPTX so that might be worth it too with a pedestal.....

I am just trying to figure out what would be the best way to go as I am mainly wanting it for a gaming rig with an awesome water cooled loop.....

Personally the TH10 looks like a better option than the MH10 but the height advantage may be good to have with the MH10 to not be a a towering monster with a pedestal.....

however, it may also be impressive to have that STH10 sitting next to my desk with it being a massively tall tower.....at least I wouldn't have to bend over to put in a disk....haha. And have a single wide case that is that tall is better than a double wide that tall....just cause of limited room. and i dont think it would have a need for more than 4 radiators anyways.

However, can the STH10 only take XL-ATX and HPTX? the form factor on the first page doesnt say anything about ATX style but all the other cases accept mATX-XL ATX or HPTX.....
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yea what i meant is a loop for each CPU plus a gpu loop so 3 total.
It seems to me like the STH10 is a better value in some ways than the TH10 cause of the separate heat zones built into the case. However, how many radiators can the TH10 take without pedestals? One thing i did notice is that the HDD cage in the STH10 has no fan....is that going to make much of a difference? I have always had a fan on my hard drives.
the MH10 can also go to HPTX so that might be worth it too with a pedestal.....
I am just trying to figure out what would be the best way to go as I am mainly wanting it for a gaming rig with an awesome water cooled loop.....
Personally the TH10 looks like a better option than the MH10 but the height advantage may be good to have with the MH10 to not be a a towering monster with a pedestal.....
however, it may also be impressive to have that STH10 sitting next to my desk with it being a massively tall tower.....at least I wouldn't have to bend over to put in a disk....haha. And have a single wide case that is that tall is better than a double wide that tall....just cause of limited room. and i dont think it would have a need for more than 4 radiators anyways.
However, can the STH10 only take XL-ATX and HPTX? the form factor on the first page doesnt say anything about ATX style but all the other cases accept mATX-XL ATX or HPTX.....

You can put hard drives in the front flex bays of the STH10 if you want to (i.e. the same as the TH10). Hard drives don't necessarily need a fan depending on how much airflow you have. If you're running enough intake into the motherboard chamber it will exhaust through the grill by the hard drives. Hard drives last longest around 45C, running a fan and having vibrations and lowering the temperature beyond this can be a bad idea. A lot depends on how many drives and the type.

Yes you can run 3 loops you'll have a good amount of space for pumps and res's in either case. The STH10 could fit 4x560's plus a front mounted 480 (maybe a 560 not sure). The TH10 without pedestal can fit 2x480's top and bottom, a radiator side mounted (even a mora 140.9/180.4/120.9 although you may lose one of the top mount rads) and a radiator front mounted in the flex bay (not sure how big it can be though, I doubt it's more than a 480 though, possibly only a 360).

TH10 max radiator surface area assuming 3x480's + 140.9 + 360 front mounted, i.e. total area = 392400mm^2
STH10 radiator area (let's assume 560.5) = 392000

So it's a wash really on that front.

The STH10 will take all the other form factors too.
     
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yea what i meant is a loop for each CPU plus a gpu loop so 3 total.
It seems to me like the STH10 is a better value in some ways than the TH10 cause of the separate heat zones built into the case. However, how many radiators can the TH10 take without pedestals? One thing i did notice is that the HDD cage in the STH10 has no fan....is that going to make much of a difference? I have always had a fan on my hard drives.
the MH10 can also go to HPTX so that might be worth it too with a pedestal.....
I am just trying to figure out what would be the best way to go as I am mainly wanting it for a gaming rig with an awesome water cooled loop.....
Personally the TH10 looks like a better option than the MH10 but the height advantage may be good to have with the MH10 to not be a a towering monster with a pedestal.....
however, it may also be impressive to have that STH10 sitting next to my desk with it being a massively tall tower.....at least I wouldn't have to bend over to put in a disk....haha. And have a single wide case that is that tall is better than a double wide that tall....just cause of limited room. and i dont think it would have a need for more than 4 radiators anyways.
However, can the STH10 only take XL-ATX and HPTX? the form factor on the first page doesnt say anything about ATX style but all the other cases accept mATX-XL ATX or HPTX.....

The TH10 can take up to six 480 radiators: two on top, two on the bottom, one side mounted and one in the Flex-Bays (using 1 PSU). Not much room for drives with all of that though (one cage).

The STH10 has four PSU/Radiator bays, so at least one will be used for a PSU. There is still room to mount another on top (with the optional top cover) and one in the Flex-Bays (it's size being dependent on what other radiators are being used).

The MH10 works well with the extended top and/or Pedestal (both of which help provide thermal isolation). Two 560's in the pedestal and two 480's on top. Another 480 could be side mounted (leaving one PSU).

The form factors listed for all of our cases are for the maximum. They will all accept everything downward all the way to mATX.
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Ok so to update from Jim's information, assuming a 560 can fit in the front bays of an STH10 and only 1 psu:

TH10 - 6x480s = 345600mm^2
TH10 - 4x480s + 140.9 = 406800mm^2
STH10 - 5x560's (1 front, 2base, 1 top) + 1x480 (top) = 449600mm^2
MH10 + Pedestal - 3x480s (top-2, side-1), 2x560s (pedestal) 1x360(front) = 372800mm^2

So for pure radiator area out of the 4, the STH10 wins

Realistically though any of those are plenty of area for any loop.
     
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Hahaha. Yea way more than I would ever need for sure. But it's nice to have flexibility. That's the number one thing that I am looking for so I can just have one case for as long as possible. Hoping too that if any other style of tray come out I can just buy a replacement tray and not an entire case.
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Hahaha. Yea way more than I would ever need for sure. But it's nice to have flexibility. That's the number one thing that I am looking for so I can just have one case for as long as possible. Hoping too that if any other style of tray come out I can just buy a replacement tray and not an entire case.

That's the plan smile.gif Worst case scenario is that you would need to replace the tray, center panel and rear chassis, but that's very unlikely. Just the rear tray section is probably all that would change wink.gif
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oh boy you are getting me excited now! I honestly dont know if id even go to an HPTX at this point in time but its nice to know that with the investment in a case such as this one that you can go to it if you decide too.

Just one question. Is there anything that you guys didnt think of? Before i found caselabs I was trying to come up with my own modular designs and I think some of them were pretty good. But I think yours take the cake for versatility. However, if I can find my schematics I will forward my ideas to you Jim. I dont have the need, nor desire to manufacture computer cases as its one of those hobbies that I dont want to turn into a job for me....just like my audio addiction....I love the DIY stuff but would never want to mix my hobby with business....i wouldnt get the joy that I do now.
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madbrayniak - no there's almost nothing the case can't handle except for some obscure server motherboards. That and it doesn't have an integrated toaster/coffee maker thumb.gif

Have the STH10's started shipping? I want to see photos and build logs!
     
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