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Can anyone tell me will the top compartment hold 2 Fesser 480's with Gentle Typhoons on the outside facing out and allow any amount of space between the two for air to be removed?
A crude pic to illustrate what I'm asking.
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its designed to be able to do that in p/p with much bigger rads, so your set thumb.gif
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What I'd really like is for someone to finally get there order so I can see how both will fit. Exact dimensions would be nice as well, say exact width, distance to case panel from mount (how much clearance to allow for rads/fan)
This ma all be up some where though if ti is I can't find it frown.gif
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ph34r-smiley.gif now that I think about dimension of the case, I probably have to buy some extension for the psu.
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ph34r-smiley.gif now that I think about dimension of the case, I probably have to buy some extension for the psu.

i gaurentee you do... my 24-pin isnt long enough in a HAF X and my PSU has prity long cables... i would look into making yourself a custom harness... its a lot of work, but realy worth it for the end result smile.gif
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post #185 of 679
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Can anyone tell me will the top compartment hold 2 Fesser 480's with Gentle Typhoons on the outside facing out and allow any amount of space between the two for air to be removed?
A crude pic to illustrate what I'm asking.
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On an STH10 the inside distance between the radiator mounts is approximately 8.585 (218mm). The fans are mounted on the outside, so you have the full 218mm to work with.

Hope that helps
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On an STH10 the inside distance between the radiator mounts is approximately 8.585 (218mm). The fans are mounted on the outside, so you have the full 218mm to work with.
Hope that helps

+rep... ty for the info (though u do have inside intel ninja.gif)
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I've been considering airflow models for the lower heat chamber of the case.

wR3m9.png

Excuse the crude mock-up, I didn't have the time to model everything in SolidWorks. In the green configuration, fresh air is pushed through the front of the case and then pulled through each of the 560 mm radiators before it is exhausted out the sides of the lower heat chamber. In the red configuration, fresh air is pushed through the radiators into the ~100mm central area where is it guided by the front intake fan to an exhaust at the rear of the chamber. In the pink configuration, cool air is pushed through the first radiator, through the central area and is then pulled through the second radiator and exhausted from the side of the case.

I've been weighing the pros and cons of each setup. In the first two configurations, there is a huge imbalance between the number of intake and exhaust fans. In the red scenario, there are 9 intake fans and 1 exhaust fan -- in addition, the air will collide in the center of the case and possibly create a dead zone as the fan at the front may not be strong enough to push it through the length of heat chamber. This will give me a tremendous amount of 'positive pressure', but at the cost of having unknown fluid dynamics of the air in the center of the case which may get stagnant and super-heated if it is not exhausted quickly.

In the green example, there are 9 exhaust fans and only one intake. I'm not sure enough cool air is being supplied to the radiators in this scenario. The fans will be forced to suck air into the case through the mesh vents and then pull it through the radiators increasing the amount of dust in the heat chamber. The pink example is what I had considered doing primarily, however, the warmer air is being pushed through the second radiator rendering it much less useful at cooling the circulating water than a radiator with access to my 15.5 C ambient air (I wish it was colder -- one of those freaks that loves the cold). I may end up having to experiment with each configuration to determine the most effective way to cool the chamber.

I've also considered mounting one 140.4 in the base and one 140.4 in the top chamber as well as putting another 120.3 or 120.4 somewhere in the build in an effort to maximize cool air intake, but it will make for really long and ugly tubing runs and possible instability with all of the radiators mounted on one side of the case. Let me know what you guys think!
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I've been considering airflow models for the lower heat chamber of the case.
wR3m9.png
Excuse the crude mock-up, I didn't have the time to model everything in SolidWorks. In the green configuration, fresh air is pushed through the front of the case and then pulled through each of the 560 mm radiators before it is exhausted out the sides of the lower heat chamber. In the red configuration, fresh air is pushed through the radiators into the ~100mm central area where is it guided by the front intake fan to an exhaust at the rear of the chamber. In the pink configuration, cool air is pushed through the first radiator, through the central area and is then pulled through the second radiator and exhausted from the side of the case.
I've been weighing the pros and cons of each setup. In the first two configurations, there is a huge imbalance between the number of intake and exhaust fans. In the red scenario, there are 9 intake fans and 1 exhaust fan -- in addition, the air will collide in the center of the case and possibly create a dead zone as the fan at the front may not be strong enough to push it through the length of heat chamber. This will give me a tremendous amount of 'positive pressure', but at the cost of having unknown fluid dynamics of the air in the center of the case which may get stagnant and super-heated if it is not exhausted quickly.
In the green example, there are 9 exhaust fans and only one intake. I'm not sure enough cool air is being supplied to the radiators in this scenario. The fans will be forced to suck air into the case through the mesh vents and then pull it through the radiators increasing the amount of dust in the heat chamber. The pink example is what I had considered doing primarily, however, the warmer air is being pushed through the second radiator rendering it much less useful at cooling the circulating water than a radiator with access to my 15.5 C ambient air (I wish it was colder -- one of those freaks that loves the cold). I may end up having to experiment with each configuration to determine the most effective way to cool the chamber.
I've also considered mounting one 140.4 in the base and one 140.4 in the top chamber as well as putting another 120.3 or 120.4 somewhere in the build in an effort to maximize cool air intake, but it will make for really long and ugly tubing runs and possible instability with all of the radiators mounted on one side of the case. Let me know what you guys think!

You are completely over thinking things while missing the basics, air entering in the rear will not pass all the way to the front of the case, the rear most fans mounted to the radiators will suck that air right out before it has a chance to reach the two middle fans let alone the front case fan! It's so simple, mount two 480's or two 560's in the bottom section and have the air flow in one side and out through the other! Remember one 560 radiator v.s running two 560's in the bottom section will split the heat load by half because now you have double the cooling efficiency, I wouldn't be worried about the second radiator receiving air that is 1-4C warmer as this will have little impact on temperatures and how far you can overclock. Your making it more difficult than it needs to be.
Edited by Systemlord - 2/15/12 at 4:41pm
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if it is all in the same loop too you could easily pump the water through the radiator that is exhausting the air out first and then into the rad that is using the fresh air to try and get as cool a temperature as possible.....
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You are completely over thinking things while missing the basics, air entering in the rear will not pass all the way to the front of the case, the rear most fans mounted to the radiators will suck that air right out before it has a chance to reach the two middle fans let alone the front case fan! It's so simple, mount two 480's or two 560's in the bottom section and have the air flow in one side and out through the other! Remember one 560 radiator v.s running two 560's in the bottom section will split the heat load by half because now you have double the cooling efficiency, I wouldn't be worried about the second radiator receiving air that is 1-4C warmer as this will have little impact on temperatures and how far you can overclock. Your making it more difficult than it needs to be.

The fluid movement of the air is a good question, but it won't realy be a problem... It u have both rad intake, then there will be so much positive pressure that it won't have a chance to get too turbulent... I plan on both my rads being intakes (as I can't stand air blowing on my legs)... There should be wholes for a 140.4 rad on the very bottom of the case... If u simply open these, there won't be that big of a difference in surface area... I would have no fans other then on ur rad as u will just destroy and overpower them... If u don't want air flowing out one side, then just cover it instead of putting a fan there... It should all work out fine, just that the air will exit ur case at like 2x the CFM it went in at because of the change in surface area smile.gif... Hope this helped smile.gif
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