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I understand what you're saying in the above post but I still fail to see how "Siri-like" applies to other AI software. (Read below.)
That it does, but I wouldn't call a Toyota and a BMW similar. Both are cars, and they both allow you to drive them, but both of those things are very obvious and very broad, but the differences between them are in fact great. Thus, I wouldn't ever say a Toyota is BMW-like, or a BMW is Toyota-like, just as I wouldn't say Google Voice isn't Siri-like, and Siri isn't Google Voice-like because it is only in the very broad sense that they are alike.
Again, it would be like saying an Apple is Mango-like, because they are both edible and are both fruit. (Pardon the pun.)

I'm not talking about Google voice. There are apps in the Android app store that allow you to talk to your device and ask it questions, just like Siri. The functionality is not nearly as evolved or as integrated as it is on Siri.

For instance, I asked it what it's favorite color was, and it replied with a line from Monty Python: "Blue... no green! Aaaaaaaahhh!"

Siri is nothing new, it is something improved.

This is more like comparing an 1980's BMW to a 2011 BMW.
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I'm not talking about Google voice. There are apps in the Android app store that allow you to talk to your device and ask it questions, just like Siri. The functionality is not nearly as evolved or as integrated as it is on Siri.
For instance, I asked it what it's favorite color was, and it replied with a line from Monty Python: "Blue... no green! Aaaaaaaahhh!"
Siri is nothing new, it is something improved.
This is more like comparing an 1980's BMW to a 2011 BMW.
I pretty much agree with that. I'm not saying Siri is anything drastically new, but it is greatly improved. The ability to ask it what you want is a great feature, as it removes the need to remember any commands -- it's another step, or another component to make it really easy and practical to use voice commands.
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I pretty much agree with that. I'm not saying Siri is anything drastically new, but it is greatly improved. The ability to ask it what you want is a great feature, as it removes the need to remember any commands -- it's another step, or another component to make it really easy and practical to use voice commands.

When it actually works correctly, that is. Which, my experience has shown, is about 40% of the time.
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When it actually works correctly, that is. Which, my experience has shown, is about 40% of the time.
I suppose it heavily depends on where you live and your accent. There's not really any international support right now. I'm Australian and with Siri set to Australian, she rarely misunderstands me when I speak normally.
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I suppose it heavily depends on where you live and your accent. There's not really any international support right now. I'm Australian and with Siri set to Australian, she rarely misunderstands me when I speak normally.

Yeah, I found elocution lessons to have actually come in handy (I have never taken elocution lessons, lol)!

With my friends, in the north of England it does struggle to understand certain words or phrases, but we found that if we Americanise our voices it works perfectly. Only problem then is we all sound like we have autism (Autistic children, I don't know if anyone has noticed, sometimes seem to sound American. It's a known phenomenon and that comment is not an attack on Americans).

Siri gets boring after a while, though. And there are only so many times you can demand it set an alarm for X:XX before you give up and just set it yourself. Four of my friends have these 4S phones and none of them use it anymore for anything. One of them said he'd get rid of it if the camera wasn't so great. That's something I do love about the new 4S, the camera is spectacular. That alone is definitely worth the investment.

I'm personally holding on to see what kind of waves the HTC Edge makes, if it is indeed an actual phone (no release date confirmed yet). Tegra 3 is pretty much all I'm after. Apple need to start looking towards that kind of thing for the future. I know Nvidia-Apple relations went sour a few years ago but, Tegra 3 runs on ARM, Apple iOS is optimised for ARM. It's a perfect unison. If that happened either every other manufacturer in the world is going to dive on Tegra 3 or seriously struggle to compete. iPhone would be a great camera that's better than most digitals, a handheld gaming device (more so than it is), mobile internet and personal organiser!
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Yeah, I found elocution lessons to have actually come in handy (I have never taken elocution lessons, lol)!
With my friends, in the north of England it does struggle to understand certain words or phrases, but we found that if we Americanise our voices it works perfectly. Only problem then is we all sound like we have autism (Autistic children, I don't know if anyone has noticed, sometimes seem to sound American. It's a known phenomenon and that comment is not an attack on Americans).
Siri gets boring after a while, though. And there are only so many times you can demand it set an alarm for X:XX before you give up and just set it yourself. Four of my friends have these 4S phones and none of them use it anymore for anything. One of them said he'd get rid of it if the camera wasn't so great. That's something I do love about the new 4S, the camera is spectacular. That alone is definitely worth the investment.
I'm personally holding on to see what kind of waves the HTC Edge makes, if it is indeed an actual phone (no release date confirmed yet). Tegra 3 is pretty much all I'm after. Apple need to start looking towards that kind of thing for the future. I know Nvidia-Apple relations went sour a few years ago but, Tegra 3 runs on ARM, Apple iOS is optimised for ARM. It's a perfect unison. If that happened either every other manufacturer in the world is going to dive on Tegra 3 or seriously struggle to compete. iPhone would be a great camera that's better than most digitals, a handheld gaming device (more so than it is), mobile internet and personal organiser!
Does Siri have a setting for England english (lol)? Apple's going to be adding more languages and improving Siri so in time many more accents and languages should be supported. I'm pretty happy with it because the previous voice control on my 3GS was absolutely horrible and I find Siri understands me perfectly.

It's actually better for Apple to keep it in-house like with the A5 rather than to use someone else's SoC as they can optimize it just for their hardware. I look forward to seeing the A6 which hopefully will house a 28nm Cortex A15 quad-core, unlike the Tegra 3 which is a 40nm Cortex A9 quad-core+lpc.

Also, the SGX543MP2 in the A5 is actually about twice as powerful as the Tegra 3's GPU if my memory serves me correctly. It looks like Apple has already licensed from Imagination Technologies, the PowerVR 6xx series, which is about 20x better than current tech with the same power consumption. It's ten times more powerful than an SGX543, and five times more than a SGX543MP2. Would be amazing if Apple could get this in the iPad 3 biggrin.gif
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Does Siri have a setting for England english (lol)? Apple's going to be adding more languages and improving Siri so in time many more accents and languages should be supported. I'm pretty happy with it because the previous voice control on my 3GS was absolutely horrible and I find Siri understands me perfectly.
It's actually better for Apple to keep it in-house like with the A5 rather than to use someone else's SoC as they can optimize it just for their hardware. I look forward to seeing the A6 which hopefully will house a 28nm Cortex A15 quad-core, unlike the Tegra 3 which is a 40nm Cortex A9 quad-core+lpc.
Also, the SGX543MP2 in the A5 is actually about twice as powerful as the Tegra 3's GPU if my memory serves me correctly. It looks like Apple has already licensed from Imagination Technologies, the PowerVR 6xx series, which is about 20x better than current tech with the same power consumption. It's ten times more powerful than an SGX543, and five times more than a SGX543MP2. Would be amazing if Apple could get this in the iPad 3 biggrin.gif

That's very true and the iPad 2 seems to do better on battery life, too. But I don't like Apple products so the iPad 2, 3, 4 etc isn't an option for me. Not until they open up the ecosystem a whole lot more. This might be possible now with Jobs out of the way (I read his biography over Christmas. Just made me dislike him even more. Sounds like a horrible guy to haved worked for).

I'd need to see more a more open system in that I'd want an SD card slot, the ability to drag and drop files to it (such as my music and videos. I don't want to use iTunes for this, or anything). Flash would be a great start, too. I personally don't care about the performance impact and I think the choice to use it should be down to the individual. Didn't like that choice being taken away from me. Then there are the niggly little things that Apple does that I'd have to disagree with, like ripping off Apps from the store. I don't there's many alive who can argue they didn't close the Wi-Fi sync app down in order to include that feature in an update. Then there's the obsolesce they impart, for example Siri not working on the iPhone 4, despite it being more than capable.

(Note: Not that the Android ecosystem is any better. Android is open and very, very fair, in my opinion. They haven't stolen anyone's apps or anything like that. But it has a massive problem with carriers. Carriers are a huge problem for Android because they insist in installing or putting their own software onto it that either gets in the way or inhibits legit functions. Like many UK carriers don't want you using the 3G Hotspot functions of the Android software. So, they remove it. For instance, Orange install their own version of GoogleMaps, OrangeMaps, and make Gmaps totally inaccessable. They also remove the shortcut icon for GoogleTalk, and instead have a partnership with MSN. Yet they leave the data on the device and still have it running as a service by default. They don't know what they're doing at all. For me, personally, since I'm on a datacap, I think it's up to me how I use my allowance, so what right does the carrier have stopping me from using my phone as a hotspot? What rights do they have installing their software onto my device which then fragments the update process even longer. For instance, again, Google released Froyo in July 2010, it wasn't until January 2011 that Orange finally rolled it out for their devices using their software.

This kind of stuff doesn't affect me in the way it should, because I simply root any device I get and install the stuff I want on there. Which in my case is always the most default and stock software. I took my CDMA HTC Desire from the Orange Software to the stock HTC software as soon as I got it. Then the same with an O2 HTC Sensation XE, rooted and stock)
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That's very true and the iPad 2 seems to do better on battery life, too. But I don't like Apple products so the iPad 2, 3, 4 etc isn't an option for me. Not until they open up the ecosystem a whole lot more. This might be possible now with Jobs out of the way (I read his biography over Christmas. Just made me dislike him even more. Sounds like a horrible guy to haved worked for).
I'd need to see more a more open system in that I'd want an SD card slot, the ability to drag and drop files to it (such as my music and videos. I don't want to use iTunes for this, or anything).
I never really understand why people don't like iTunes. I find it really easy and convenient to use.
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Flash would be a great start, too. I personally don't care about the performance impact and I think the choice to use it should be down to the individual. Didn't like that choice being taken away from me.
I also would've liked the ability to watch flash videos (a bit like ClickToFlash where it shows up in a gray box and you tap it to watch it.) however I don't really care. Flash isn't important to me, and Adobe has actually cancelled support for Flash for mobile devices.
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Then there are the niggly little things that Apple does that I'd have to disagree with, like ripping off Apps from the store. I don't there's many alive who can argue they didn't close the Wi-Fi sync app down in order to include that feature in an update.
Apple has never done that. The request for wireless syncing has been a long wanted feature from the Apple community, do you really believe that Apple had never thought to add wireless syncing? Do you really think they weren't planning it?

The app wasn't closed down either. It was never accepted because it made use of private APIs which is against the rules of the App Store.
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Then there's the obsolesce they impart, for example Siri not working on the iPhone 4, despite it being more than capable.
I don't see this as a problem. Why do they have to release Siri for the iPhone 4? They spent hundreds of millions to acquire the company and then a year to a year and a half working on Siri and improving it. They've also constructed data centers and so on, surely one can't think it's unfair for them not to give it away for free?
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(Note: Not that the Android ecosystem is any better. Android is open and very, very fair, in my opinion. They haven't stolen anyone's apps or anything like that. But it has a massive problem with carriers. Carriers are a huge problem for Android because they insist in installing or putting their own software onto it that either gets in the way or inhibits legit functions. Like many UK carriers don't want you using the 3G Hotspot functions of the Android software. So, they remove it. For instance, Orange install their own version of GoogleMaps, OrangeMaps, and make Gmaps totally inaccessable. They also remove the shortcut icon for GoogleTalk, and instead have a partnership with MSN. Yet they leave the data on the device and still have it running as a service by default. They don't know what they're doing at all. For me, personally, since I'm on a datacap, I think it's up to me how I use my allowance, so what right does the carrier have stopping me from using my phone as a hotspot? What rights do they have installing their software onto my device which then fragments the update process even longer. For instance, again, Google released Froyo in July 2010, it wasn't until January 2011 that Orange finally rolled it out for their devices using their software.
This kind of stuff doesn't affect me in the way it should, because I simply root any device I get and install the stuff I want on there. Which in my case is always the most default and stock software. I took my CDMA HTC Desire from the Orange Software to the stock HTC software as soon as I got it. Then the same with an O2 HTC Sensation XE, rooted and stock)
Yeah Google does have to sort that out. It sounds pretty bad, and fixing it would improve the Android experience a lot.
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That's very true and the iPad 2 seems to do better on battery life, too. But I don't like Apple products so the iPad 2, 3, 4 etc isn't an option for me. Not until they open up the ecosystem a whole lot more. This might be possible now with Jobs out of the way (I read his biography over Christmas. Just made me dislike him even more. Sounds like a horrible guy to haved worked for).
I'd need to see more a more open system in that I'd want an SD card slot, the ability to drag and drop files to it (such as my music and videos. I don't want to use iTunes for this, or anything).
I never really understand why people don't like iTunes. I find it really easy and convenient to use.

It's slow, the interface is fairly average and the actual quality of the playback seems to be worse than (at least) foobar2000 to my ears. That last bit could be a placebo though.

In terms of speed though, iTunes is a broken down tractor from the 20s and Foobar is the latest Bugatti. It's seriously that big of a difference. Although I've heard Apple purposely slow down the Windows version of iTunes to try and push people to OS X so it may just be that.
    
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