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I really think people should be careful about recommending using too many PPAs and cut back on the Gnome/Unity DEs. There are more choices besides those. The PPA thing shouldn't be bad if you pay attention to avoid conflicts (personal favorite was an nvidia PPA removing xorg so no more GUI). And the issue I have with Gnome/Unity is that you "need" to add in compiz for the roughly similar things you get included in KDE.

As for the AMD "issues" it's more about the GPU and whether or not you'll get it working. Check Melcar's guide on here if you need help.

PS: OpenOffice.org is essentially dead so you should leave that PPA out and grab LibreOffice instead.
     
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Wow thanks a ton!! thumb.gif +rep. I also have a phenom system, will that work fine?

From what I gander the patch didn't make any huge changes, so it should be fine on either machines.

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Some of you fail to realize he said he wanted to learn. Ubuntu is spoonfeed central in the Linux world = no real learning. With Ubuntu you don't learn how to do anything in Linux. You might as well stick to Windows at that point, as it's all you're going to be doing. Installing from pre-compiled .debs or their install center, and you'll hardly ever need to use the terminal in Ubuntu.

Yes, you can go a bit more in depth with it, but that's like flying a jet to go ask your neighbor for some milk. Too much trouble than what it's worth.

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Some of you fail to realize he said he wanted to learn. Ubuntu is spoonfeed central in the Linux world = no real learning. With Ubuntu you don't learn how to do anything in Linux. You might as well stick to Windows at that point, as it's all you're going to be doing. Installing from pre-compiled .debs or their install center, and you'll hardly ever need to use the terminal in Ubuntu.
Yes, you can go a bit more in depth with it, but that's like flying a jet to go ask your neighbor for some milk. Too much trouble than what it's worth.
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While we all probably understand what you're saying I think it wasn't clear just how indepth and how fast he wanted to get things up and running. For a quick taste/intro buntu and similar are a good start because most people can then move on if they're motivated and not feel overwhelmed. If you throw someone into Gentoo, Arch, or LFS straight out then you're pretty much giving them the impression that Linux hasn't changed to be more than just the "1337's domain" where you either do things the hard way or "go back to your Windows". You can view it as bastardizing or whatever but the easy distros should exist because in the long run they help the entire community (and hinder it too no more than the rest) in getting more people which leads to more support and development.

Now, I'd never use a GUI software center unless I needed to see about adding repos or checking on several packages versions at once. In buntus the software centers (muon, kpackagekit, whatever the Gnome/Unity ones are) almost always ended up screwing up things or freezing. I don't use terminal to move files around because that's what the GUI(and the computer) is for...to make life easier. I think a hybrid between the two is the best idea as there are certain things that just work out faster/better one way over doing it the other. Linux gives you that without restraint and that's what's great about it.

So yes...I agree that if you want to "learn" Linux you should go to Gentoo and LFS but that's time, patience, and practice married with frustration until eventual satisfaction. If you want to slowly work to that then you should probably start off around Fedora or Slackware. Basically, there are certain things one should do in the terminal or know how to do (because if you ever lose xorg...like me...it helps to know how to get around in tty/etc) but since we have such great DEs like KDE, LXDE, Enlightenment and WMs (awesome and whatever others are being touted) why would you want to not use them?

Linux is what you make out of it...so choose what you like and you can go from there.

The breakdown is something like this:
buntu, mint, opensuse, and fedora as the big main easy distros
Slackware, Arch as the big middle distros
Gentoo and LFS as the hard-line "difficult" ones
     
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Linux is what you make out of it...so choose what you like and you can go from there.

This is the point I was making. And by choosing Ubuntu you aren't making it anything, you're being given everything regardless of if you want it or not.

As for Starting with Gentoo/LFS yes, I already stated those were harder in my earlier posts. But starting with Arch is easy, unlike gentoo/lfs you don't have to compile the kernel, and you DO make it what you want, without all the bloated software. Honestly Arch is about the easiest distrobution to start with, and only requires minimal command line knowledge to get started and installed. After that installing a DE/WM takes 2 minutes. And the Arch Wiki is as in depth as it gets when it comes to explaining how to do things.


Also to note, the Ubuntu community is more geared in the mindset of RTFM, whereas the Arch/Gentoo/LFS communities are ALL more than glad to help.
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As others have said, if you want a smooth transition and general use, go with mint (ubuntu can be buggy with unity). If you want to learn a lot go with Arch Linux (they have really good wiki pages on everything). If you're going the arch way I recommend giving a tiling window manager a spin too (for example i3).
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Honestly Arch is about the easiest distrobution to start with, and only requires minimal command line knowledge to get started and installed. After that installing a DE/WM takes 2 minutes. And the Arch Wiki is as in depth as it gets when it comes to explaining how to do things.
Also to note, the Ubuntu community is more geared in the mindset of RTFM, whereas the Arch/Gentoo/LFS communities are ALL more than glad to help.
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I second that smile.gif

I unfortunately don't second that. Arch Linux is not the easiest distribution to start with. Perhaps out of all barebones distributions (like Gentoo and Slackware), Arch Linux might be the easiest but it is in no way easier than other mainstream distros like Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, OpenSUSE, and Mint. Although the documentation on the ArchWiki is top notch, it doesn't cover everything. I've had some issues with drivers (like the proprietary broadcom-wl) that would always be troublesome in Arch Linux, but would be perfectly fine in Ubuntu. Building your system from the ground up takes a good deal of time, and if you don't know where to start or what applications to install, it just lengthens the process. Prior experience with another Linux makes the transition to Arch Linux a lot easier.
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I unfortunately don't second that. Arch Linux is not the easiest distribution to start with. Perhaps out of all barebones distributions (like Gentoo and Slackware), Arch Linux might be the easiest but it is in no way easier than other mainstream distros like Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, OpenSUSE, and Mint. Although the documentation on the ArchWiki is top notch, it doesn't cover everything. I've had some issues with drivers (like the proprietary broadcom-wl) that would always be troublesome in Arch Linux, but would be perfectly fine in Ubuntu. Building your system from the ground up takes a good deal of time, and if you don't know where to start or what applications to install, it just lengthens the process. Prior experience with another Linux makes the transition to Arch Linux a lot easier.

Derp.

We were talking about the barebones distro's to begin with.

As for the Broadcom-WL drivers, it covers them perfectly fine. I've been using them in 2 of my laptops for over a year without a problem. All because I followed the wiki, pay a bit of attention to it and you'll have no issues, and when you do, ask on the forum. When you ask people stuff on the Ubuntu forum they tell you RTFM 9 times out of 10, but you ask on any barebones forum and you'll get your answer clear as day.

And just to throw a curveball into the mix. Building an Arch system from the ground up takes about 20 minutes for a new-comer. And about 5 minutes for someone who's done it before. Prior experience with another Linux would make the transition easier, but when you use distro's like Ubuntu that give you EVERYTHING, you don't really 'learn' about linux. It's basically a glorified Windows wannabe. And if you don't believe getting started takes so short, follow the tutorial I posted earlier. Aside from the download process if you use a net install, it shouldn't take you more than 20 minutes to be up and running in whatever DE/WM you want.
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Thanks for all the advice guys... I am usually the kind of person to jump into the deeper end right away, so I think Arch might be the way for me, but of course, if I find I am linux illiterate, I will have to switch to a "windows" version maybe just to get the hang of it... But I think i will be able to handle Arch, Ill just have to do my reading and such. I am a patient person, so it shouldnt take me to long to learn the basics... thumb.gif
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