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Thanks for all the advice guys... I am usually the kind of person to jump into the deeper end right away, so I think Arch might be the way for me, but of course, if I find I am linux illiterate, I will have to switch to a "windows" version maybe just to get the hang of it... But I think i will be able to handle Arch, Ill just have to do my reading and such. I am a patient person, so it shouldnt take me to long to learn the basics... thumb.gif

I would really study the online installation guide. Arch can be very tricky to install as it lets you select just about everything to include/dis-include with your install. It also doesn't come with a GUI front end (this is why I suggested you start with 10.10) you will need to know your way around the terminal a bit.
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I would really study the online installation guide. Arch can be very tricky to install as it lets you select just about everything to include/dis-include with your install. It also doesn't come with a GUI front end (this is why I suggested you start with 10.10) you will need to know your way around the terminal a bit.

I wouldn't the Official Installation Guide to install. The Beginners Guide is a much more complete and comprehensive version of the install guide that goes through everything from installing to getting set up.
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Thanks for all the advice guys... I am usually the kind of person to jump into the deeper end right away, so I think Arch might be the way for me, but of course, if I find I am linux illiterate, I will have to switch to a "windows" version maybe just to get the hang of it... But I think i will be able to handle Arch, Ill just have to do my reading and such. I am a patient person, so it shouldnt take me to long to learn the basics... thumb.gif

Arch is fine but do realize you'll spend more time fixing the system after you break it, than you will actually using the OS, for whatever you'd use an OS for.

My personal experience with Arch, installed it, not the easiest to do. Then, the monitor resolution wasn't right, had to edit a file. Did this exactly as instructed, and BAM, system crashes, and I'd have to fix it from command-line. I'm sure it's doable, but needless to say I went back to Linux Mint. "Setting up" an OS shouldn't be hard work. It's not with Mint. If you still want to compile stuff from source (lots of fun, took half an hour for VLC with an Atom netbook running Meego), you can still do that. Install from Terminal, uninstall from Terminal, even switching up the DE can be done on pretty much any distro, Ubuntu and Mint included.
 
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Arch is fine but do realize you'll spend more time fixing the system after you break it, than you will actually using the OS, for whatever you'd use an OS for.

That's half the point of Linux. Breaking it and learning from mistakes then fixing it again. And you never really 'break' it, unless you're busy root # rm -rf /'ing yourself. And I've been using Arch/Gentoo as a main Desktop for 3 years+ and no major issues. ATI/Nvidia/AMD/Intel, no problems across the board. Along with many many others.

Don't be afraid of the command line, it's your best friend in Linux.


And by far the best install guide around for Arch.

http://lifehacker.com/5680453/build-a-killer-customized-arch-linux-installation-and-learn-all-about-linux-in-the-process
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And by far the best install guide around for Arch.
http://lifehacker.com/5680453/build-a-killer-customized-arch-linux-installation-and-learn-all-about-linux-in-the-process
It's a little old, and the beginners guide is a lot more comprehensive. A few issues, he suggests just making a root partition without a recommended /boot partition or /home partition. Even the installer itself warns against that. He also recommended to use hal, which is phased out now in place of udev. Lastly he points to packages that no longer exist: (ttf-ms-fonts gnome-system-tools.
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It's a little old, and the beginners guide is a lot more comprehensive. A few issues, he suggests just making a root partition without a recommended /boot partition or /home partition. Even the installer itself warns against that. He also recommended to use hal, which is phased out now in place of udev. Lastly he points to packages that no longer exist: (ttf-ms-fonts gnome-system-tools.

Which you obviously didnt read the original post where I posted that,
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But as it is a bit outdated, when you get to the "Get the Desktop Up and Running" part, figure out which Desktop Environment or Window Manager you want and just look for it in the archlinux wiki; https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Main_Page. And it'll tell you how to install everything you need for

He suggests using Hal because at the time of it being written, was a pre-requisite of gnome 2 for the auto mounting of drives. Same for gnome-system-tools.

ttf-ms-fonts is in the aur.

But I agree on the partition scheme. I myself use boot root swap home partitions, but aside from that it's still one of the easiest to follow guides.
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I'm currently using CentOS (my computer is like an home server to run some applications that I code) but if I were you I would go with Mint. I personally don't like the last two versions of ubuntu
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Once again, you guys have been super helpful in my quest for linux!!! I will try to just dive straight in to Arch, seeing as I am a very hands on learner, and I have to learn through trial and error for it to stick. If I find my self overwhelmed to the point of breaking, I can always switch to Mint, even if it feels like I would be cheating myself (which maybe it wouldnt tongue.gif ) But thank you to everyone!! Hoping I can be that guy who help other newbies out with linux, sometime in the future thumb.gif
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That's half the point of Linux. Breaking it and learning from mistakes then fixing it again. And you never really 'break' it, unless you're busy root # rm -rf /'ing yourself. And I've been using Arch/Gentoo as a main Desktop for 3 years+ and no major issues. ATI/Nvidia/AMD/Intel, no problems across the board. Along with many many others.
Don't be afraid of the command line, it's your best friend in Linux.
And by far the best install guide around for Arch.
http://lifehacker.com/5680453/build-a-killer-customized-arch-linux-installation-and-learn-all-about-linux-in-the-process

You must've missed the rest of my post where I clearly mention using the command line. I can install, uninstall, clean etc. from command line. Won't bother downloading with it, though I've even edited system files with it.

My main point, if something breaks, no, I'm not willing to boot into a command prompt to fix it. Now, if you could tell me outright how to get 1440x900 resolution on Arch I'd be interested. Wouldn't ever touch it again, I don't have time or patience for frivilous work. The whole point of Linux is using it to be more productive, not spending half your time keeping the OS running. I can tell you right now, most enterprise Linux users use RHEL, not Arch, not Gentoo, etc. Even server editions don't cause as much headaches as Arch.
 
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You must've missed the rest of my post where I clearly mention using the command line. I can install, uninstall, clean etc. from command line. Won't bother downloading with it, though I've even edited system files with it.
My main point, if something breaks, no, I'm not willing to boot into a command prompt to fix it. Now, if you could tell me outright how to get 1440x900 resolution on Arch I'd be interested. Wouldn't ever touch it again, I don't have time or patience for frivilous work. The whole point of Linux is using it to be more productive, not spending half your time keeping the OS running. I can tell you right now, most enterprise Linux users use RHEL, not Arch, not Gentoo, etc. Even server editions don't cause as much headaches as Arch.

Sadly, I am only trying linux to learn it, I dont actually have anything productive I would do on linux as of right now... I am lame sadsmiley.gif
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