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The big limitation for Llano is RAM, not the CPU.

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You missed my point....? Or your agreeing with me that CPU is not limiting it, and any enthusiast running a Llano or Trinity setup would in all likely hood be running 2000+ RAM.

I have an A3650 base HTPC. I run Corsair Vengeance PC-3 12800 9-9-9-28 Modules. There is a very small benefit in running faster RAM. Here is some proof. You seem to misguided.

http://techreport.com/articles.x/21255/3

The article covers 1866 MHz RAM compared to 1600MHz RAM and the difference is very small in most cases. The CPU is slow and faster RAM makes little to no difference.

Try benching the GPU at 1333, 1600 and 1866. Even 1866 is slower than what a GPU with dedicated RAM with that many shaders would be at. (Just above 8800GT level)

Proof.

Anand are a far more reputable site than techreport too.

The GPU needs to have access to its RAM...It has to get textures, data, etc as fast as possible...Case in point, HD3870 (Similar shading performance to the HD6550D) has 72GB/s bandwidth from GPU to the RAM, Llano has barely 10GB/s. Lets see you reduce the bandwidth on your 570 from 152GB/s to 21.71GB/s (The roughly 7x lower amount of bandwidth) and then see if you get the same performance. Hint: You won't get anywhere near it.
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Do note that the MX Llano APUs are pretty much vaporware (show me a laptop with an A8-3510MX - there's very few). And the A4's are dual-cores, with really slow GPUs. Mobile APUs are all about the quads.
Wait....really? I'll even do one better with a A8-3530MX APU. 337 My HP Pavilion Dv6z Quad Edition seems pretty real to me.

On Topic: Can't wait to build an HTPC with a Trinity APU when they come out.

I had an Core 2 Duo E8300, doesn't make it any less rare.
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Please stop spreading misinformation. If you don't know something, please don't act like you do as it causes confusion and results in others spreading the same misinformation. The differences are very small, and at times the 1600MHz RAM is faster. One or two frames on average is nothing to even care about as the FPS are already so low.

Maybe you should listen to your own advice...It can be argued that the lower the FPS, the more even an increase of 1 or 2 matters.
    
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The GPU does not really benefit from faster RAM. Please stop spreading misinformation. If you don't know something, please don't act like you do as it causes confusion and results in others spreading the same misinformation. The differences are very small, and at times the 1600MHz RAM is faster. One or two frames on average is nothing to even care about as the FPS are already so low.

It's a pretty massive difference considering how cheap RAM is.
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Well that's great, do note I said there are very few, implying limited production and few models. Best Buy has no A8-35x0MX laptops, Amazon has 6 models (about 3 each for 3510MX and 3530MX) compared to 24 A8-3500M models. So what exactly is your point?
On topic, Ivy Bridge i3 would be better for an HTPC, like 50% faster video transcoding than HD 3000 graphics, and desktop CPUs starting at 35W.

Hey you said to show you one so I did and they're not vaporware. A8-35xxMX APU equipped laptops are readilly avaiable to anyone who wants one. Just because Best Buy doesn't carry a petictular item doesn't mean it automicticly makes it vaporware. rolleyes.gif That's my point.
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Yea, just look at one selective review...

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How much would it cost AMD to provide some 256MB to 512MB high-bandwidth RAM alongside a Trinity-die for some fast VRAM-cache?
Intel did it with Clarkdale, can't AMD do something similar?
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You mean the chick from The Matrix?
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How much would it cost AMD to provide some 256MB to 512MB high-bandwidth RAM alongside a Trinity-die for some fast VRAM-cache?
Intel did it with Clarkdale, can't AMD do something similar?

That's what I think will happen in the future for APUs, AMD did it with the IGP on 790GX, etc boards.

Just put on 256MB of GDDR5.
    
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Will GPU be 28nm?
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Will GPU be 28nm?

32nm, its one single die.
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Will GPU be 28nm?

32nm, its one single die.

I swear I saw it will be 40 nm iGPU but maybe it just meant the technology from the 40nm gpu's shrunk down to 32nm?
    
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