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What is a coaxial 4 way speaker?

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This is actually regarding car speakers, but I figured this would be the best place to post this. I know a 4 way speaker uses 4 different components for creating different frequencies. But how does a coaxial 4 way speaker work? Are there two wires going to the speaker, and the speaker does internal processing to separate the frequencies to play through the different tweeters and woofers? Or do I need to have two wires going to each component from the receiver?
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The speaker will have a built in crossover requiring one set of wires per speaker.
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Originally Posted by vwgti View Post

The speaker will have a built in crossover requiring one set of wires per speaker.

This. It's usually going to be two tweeters, a midrange, and a woofer. There's built in crossovers already. And you just run one pair of wires to it.

You should look into proper components though, if you're after something nice sounding. 2 way components will eat alive the comparable coax in most situations, since you can position the tweeter where it has the best direction.
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Thanks for the answer, that solves that problem. I do know that component speakers are better but to me it's not worth the installation time and having to fabricate things and run new wiring.

I do have a few more questions though:

I am looking at getting either two sets of Pioneer A1684R, D1602R, or D1302R. Which of these should give better sound (considering the specs, not people's personal preferences)? The A16 is a 4 way so in theory it should provide clearer sound, right? And I also like that it has a lower frequency response, because I don't have a separate subwoofer.

The D16 is the same as the D13 except it's 6.5" instead of 5.25". Will they both provide the same sound quality considering the low 14W continuous rms output from the receiver? My concern is that since the D16 is rated for higher wattage, it will sound quieter at 14W than the smaller speaker, is this true?

And will the D speakers sound better than the A speakers? It seems the D's are made of higher quality materials, but the A's have 4 separate components. Which should I get? Or will this be purely personal preference?

I don't want to turn this into a "which speaker is best" thread so I'd like responses based on the technical specs of the speakers. smile.gif
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The first set will run easier off the head unit, same with the last set. The middle listed set (60w RMS) will want an amplifier.

I would suggest some Alpine Type S speakers though, if you're after good bass response without a subwoofer or amplifier.
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My suggestion to you would be that no matter what route you go (coaxial or components), you do your self a favor and power them off their own amp. The sound difference between a set of Pioneer TSA1472R and Alpine Type S 512" speakers powered by an amp rather then a head unit is massive. I've had the same experience with the equivalent 6x9" speakers as well as other multi-axial speakers.

Components are great, but good ones come at a cost. Not only are you more then often looking at a higher cost, you're looking at a tougher install procedure. With multi-axial speakers I make sure to aim them properly and that takes care of most of my issues. When I upgraded the speakers in my M roadster I was pretty disappointed with the lack of difference in the sound of the Type R components I installed in it to the sound of the Type S coaxials I installed in my truck. After that I kind of shy away from investing in components when on a budget.

If budget isn't an issue, you could look at a set of Focal components. Those things.... I don't even know where to start. It sounds like some one spent years mixing the music. Just perfect!
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The Pioneers go down to 33hz, while the Alpines I think are at 50 or 70. So won't the Pioneers have better bass? And which do you think will sound better, the A series or the D series I mentioned?

I will not be getting an amp. I know the difference it makes, and to me it's just not worth the money and installation. I've listened to these speakers with and without an amp at the store, and the difference wasn't worth it to me.
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Quote:
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The Pioneers go down to 33hz, while the Alpines I think are at 50 or 70. So won't the Pioneers have better bass? And which do you think will sound better, the A series or the D series I mentioned?

I will not be getting an amp. I know the difference it makes, and to me it's just not worth the money and installation. I've listened to these speakers with and without an amp at the store, and the difference wasn't worth it to me.

Just because the speakers CLAIM they go down that low, doesn't mean they will. After all, they are just 5.25" coaxials. There's no way you're going to get 33Hz out of those.

From my experience, the Alpine Type S has some of the best sound from a head unit, at least with mainstream branded speakers. The lower end Pioneer's (25-35w RMS) will all sound about the same really.
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Take any ratings from almost any car stereo gear with plenty of sodium. When you get into the expensive stuff it gets more honest but IMO, big dollar car audio is unnecessary (unless you are a person who has big dollar car audio).

As far as comparing those 3 speakers and saying which one has better sound quality... well, that would depend on your definition of sound quality. I can assure you that it is unlikely that any of those speakers are even remotely flat, however, that is not really all that important. While each of those speakers probably sounds slightly different if compared side by side (due to differences in response to different frequencies), it is very unlikely that any one could be given the label "higher sound quality" than the others.

One option is you go somewhere where you can demo some speakers and see if any jump out at you as sounding "better" *to you.* Or, you could just order whatever you like the look of and EQ them to sound the way you want smile.gif

Here's some reasonably priced units, and BLUE! http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=269-184 < cool eh?
     
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I went with a 2 pairs of Focal 165CA1 speakers for my wifes 8th Gen Honda Civic. They sound decent when powered my the stock head unit, but the RMS output if low. I will install a 4 channel Amp soon. Shouldn't be that difficult.

Most of the bass comes from a 12 Kicker sub in the truck. 1.25CF box with a 150w RMS Amp. She wanted it, but I turned it down so it wouldn't overpower the Focals. Set it up to compliment, not over power.

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-jxyVw9uGAqn/p_091165CA1/Focal-Access-165CA1.html
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