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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

I tbink my issues are more an AB/overclocking issue than drivers. Stock drivers so far seem to work OK, but AB breaks my games for some reason. Is that AMD's fault? Well of course not. But my complaint is in relation to the fantastic experience I had using AB with my 580's for ovetclocking and the stark reality that for some reason these 7970's wont allow that at all....

AB used to have problems overclocking AMD cards and integrating with AMD's powersave tech. The current versions don't have this problem as its basically for all intents and purposes fixed.

However, AMD has decided to remove support for AB and other programs of their kind. Given this one has to jump thru hurdles to put that functionality back into the AMD drivers. Yea, put it back into the AMD drivers, you read that right.

Thus, who's fault is it that AB doesn't work right? Christ, can't believe I'm backing AB here lol. But like I wrote before, you're borderline whining here. AMD drivers suck ass, and they've withdrawn support for unofficial overclock methods. And it's these methods that AB/Trixx/GPU Tweak use to go about their business and you blame it on the apps? On top of this, there's a gulf in not only yours but many other new AMD owners knowledge and ability to traverse this minefield, and let me tell you it is a minefield.

All I can say or repeat again, is that I've got no problems overclocking with UOM in AB at all on my 7970s and I'm running three cards over 1300/1750. On my junior 2500k I'm using dual 6950s with Overdrive because I can edit the AMD Powerstate voltages in bios. Thus I know both sides of the coin. I also know little tricks, like the fact that you often cannot adjust Powertune of the slave card in cfx with Overdrive. It's ironic that you have to disable ULPS to keep the slave cards from turning off to change their Powertune setting. LOL, nice shot AMD. After you raise Powertune, you go back and enable ULPS. There's a lot of these types of insights that you guys keep missing over and over. I often see the more experienced members write stuff out and no one pays attention, shrugs.

I don't know where I'm going but I guess what I'm saying is this crap lays at the foot of AMD. If Andrew didn't get the bright idea of hash locking the bios with driver checks, we wouldn't have to use AB at all. I don't think you understand how far back the issue goes. What pisses me off more is that the 680 hash lock is broken and we are still sitting complaining in all directions instead of talking about breaking this bios lock.
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Yep... If you don't disable ULPS, PowerTune can't be adjusted on the slave cards (or it can't be permanently saved). 

However, if I leave ULPS disabled the slave card is forced to 500 MHz and GPGPU programs can't make it go into high 3D clocks no matter what. 

So I'm screwed either way right now. 

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Yep... If you don't disable ULPS, PowerTune can't be adjusted on the slave cards (or it can't be permanently saved). 
However, if I leave ULPS disabled the slave card is forced to 500 MHz and GPGPU programs can't make it go into high 3D clocks no matter what. 
So I'm screwed either way right now. 

It's a freaking MINEFIELD man.
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It's a freaking MINEFIELD man.

They are however aware of that bug and should eventually fix it. 

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They are however aware of that bug and should eventually fix it. 

That bug had been around for a long long time.


Btw 8.97 idles at 250/150 ulps off. wink.gif
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They are however aware of that bug and should eventually fix it. 

That bug had been around for a long long time.


Btw 8.97 idles at 250/150 ulps off. wink.gif

Are you using 8.97 or RC11 still?
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Guys, how many times have I said it?
Don't use Driver Sweeper or anything like that (or beta drivers). Just uninstall via the uninstall utility.
Use MSI AB with the -xcl method (do NOT use Unofficial Overclocking).
Once you're setup there, set a stock profile and an overclocked profile (seperated). Then use the Profiles tab in settings, and set stock as your 2D profile, and overclocked to your 3D profile.
Your problems with zero core and MSI AB overclocking WILL be fixed by doing that. If you've used beta drivers or are having too much issues, then try a reformat before doing the above methods. I have YET to have an issue since RC11 drivers doing this method with my single 7970, and ONLY using WHQL drivers.
EDIT:
For the record, I'm on 12.4 WHQL drivers, and the latest MSI AB. I've tried Skyrim, The Witcher 2, Crysis, Crysis 2, BF3......all of them. Absolutely ZERO issues maxing these games out (except Witcher 2, have AA off and Uber off). And this is at 2560x1600.

See, that's what I was using with 12.4 WHQL (UOM) and it worked absolutely great in 3DMark11 and Heaven 3.0 but totally broke Crysis 2 to the point where I had to totally unsistall 12.4 and go to a different driver (12.5 beta) just to get it to work at stock again. I guess AB just hates my rig, I dunno?

Edit - Didn't read TSM's comment above. I agree that AMD's drivers are ultimately at fault for having workarounds removed from the drivers for overclocking. What are they so worried about anyway? Most cards can be beaten to an inch of their life repeatedly and don't ever actually break....
Edited by Majin SSJ Eric - 5/3/12 at 9:18pm
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add me to the list got a 7950 and oc'ed it to 1gig/1575mhz
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Are you using 8.97 or RC11 still?

RC11 on my trifire/eyefinity 7970 rig and 8.97 modded on 6950 cfx 120hz rig.
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That's the zerocore issue, what driver are you using?

12.4 on a fresh format. Never heard of this zero core issue before.
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Guys, how many times have I said it?
Don't use Driver Sweeper or anything like that (or beta drivers). Just uninstall via the uninstall utility.
Use MSI AB with the -xcl method (do NOT use Unofficial Overclocking).
Once you're setup there, set a stock profile and an overclocked profile (seperated). Then use the Profiles tab in settings, and set stock as your 2D profile, and overclocked to your 3D profile.
Your problems with zero core and MSI AB overclocking WILL be fixed by doing that. If you've used beta drivers or are having too much issues, then try a reformat before doing the above methods. I have YET to have an issue since RC11 drivers doing this method with my single 7970, and ONLY using WHQL drivers.
EDIT:
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I've been using AB with the UOC method and have not had a problem until this new build. What is the -xcl method?
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