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i can't fully agree with statement cause as of late the 7970 is the best bang per buck as far as Highend single gpu goes the gigahertz edition trade blow with the 680 majority of the time winning most games so to say the 680 is an upgrade is totally not valid, a side-grade sounds better, you also mention that he 680 overlcock can beat a 7970 1ghz thats true, but is also true that nicely overclock 7970 can counter that with ease i'm not right?. 680's are fantastic cards but at this point in the game they less attractive with that price point.... this is just my 2cents on the matter thumb.gif

Fanboysm aside, its all about the reviews. No one is arguing that the 7970 is the best bang for your buck. Heck, thats why I'm getting three! Amd die hard fans will never say the 680 is better and will always site oc and this and that. Check all the reviews because that's what counts. As much I as hate that, its true, all reviews have the 680 on top of the 7970. Only those of us who are true anal enthusiast will recognize its strengths and weakness. I knew I was pouring blood in the water if I mentioned this but I tell the truth. I don't see Nvidia scrambling to drop prices or oc their cards to combat amd. Nvidia cards retain their value a lot more. Heck, this is probably why Nvidia won't release a gtx 685 because their are confident the 680 has gotten the best of the 7970 no matter how much drivers are improved, or price drops, or oc editions. The damage has been done, nuff said. But down in the muddy trenches of the enthusiast, the fight continues. The 680 is a slightly better card than the 7970. Not now, not oc'd, not with newest drivers, or leter, etc.

I don't mean to start a flame ware in this thread but a member was contemplating getting something better than a 7970. My first comment was to site how good the 7970 is, but if he was serious, he's next option was s 680. He never said he had an unlimited budget or I would have suggested two PC 7970x2 or a GTX 690.

Lets leave the 680 vs 7970 for the "General Graphics Card" section. And just help 79xx owners with questions and concerns. cheers.gif





edit: What's the best 1ghz drivers out there to flash? I had a lot of success with Sapphire with the 69xx series. I got a Visiontek, a Sapphire coming in, and hopefully an XFX 7970.
Edited by wermad - 9/9/12 at 7:59pm
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Thanks for the comparable reference! Spec for spec, It's looking like 3-4% advantage in 3DMark 11 and 2-3% advantage in Heaven.
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Here you go.....
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i5 2500k @ 4.85GHz (103.2 x 47)
16GB DDR3-1600 @ 2202, 9-11-10-28, 1.70v
Sapphire HD7970 Reference (GHz Flashed) at 1285 / 1650, 1.29v / 1.70v
Benchmarks: 3DMark11 Performance (Click to show)
Heaven 3.0 Maxed out 100% at 1920x1080 (Click to show)
EDIT:
Looks like 4.80GHz on the nose would have indeed been closer. I was 300 points higher on the Physics score.

Wow that's a great score there the reference 7970 you own is amazing I've seen others overclock high but not that high 1285 man that's a lot.
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You deserve a virtual +rep for your precious time putting those benches biggrin.gif.
That's a 2% difference clock-for-clock.
HD 7950 is the beast of current generation GPUs. A good clocking HD 7950 will require good 670s/680s & HD7970s to keep up with it. AMD's decision to clock it really low at 800 MHz was a really stupid decision IMO because lots of people don't know the true potential of this card.

I totally agree,it was definitely a stupid decision that's why you see the 7950 so behind in the charts when benchmarking it at stock 800 mhz,this card can perfectly run at 1060-1100 without even increasing the voltage,specially one like the one I own.
A 7950 @ 1150/1500+ will kick the 680's ass(stock) and the 670 has no chance against it even when overclocked.
I love it,as soon as I can I'll get another one and CF before the next gen is released,I wanna see how two of those overclocked match up with 2x7970's
Edited by PcG_AmD - 9/9/12 at 8:18pm
 
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Here you go.....
Settings:
i5 2500k @ 4.85GHz (103.2 x 47)
16GB DDR3-1600 @ 2202, 9-11-10-28, 1.70v
Sapphire HD7970 Reference (GHz Flashed) at 1285 / 1650, 1.29v / 1.70v
Benchmarks: 3DMark11 Performance (Click to show)
Heaven 3.0 Maxed out 100% at 1920x1080 (Click to show)
EDIT:
Looks like 4.80GHz on the nose would have indeed been closer. I was 300 points higher on the Physics score.

Wow that's a great score there the reference 7970 you own is amazing I've seen others overclock high but not that high 1285 man that's a lot.
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You deserve a virtual +rep for your precious time putting those benches biggrin.gif.
That's a 2% difference clock-for-clock.
HD 7950 is the beast of current generation GPUs. A good clocking HD 7950 will require good 670s/680s & HD7970s to keep up with it. AMD's decision to clock it really low at 800 MHz was a really stupid decision IMO because lots of people don't know the true potential of this card.

I totally agree,it was definitely a stupid decision that's why you see the 7950 so behind in the charts when benchmarking it at stock 800 mhz,this card can perfectly run at 1060-1100 without even increasing the voltage,specially one like the one I own.
A 7950 @ 1150/1500+ will kick the 680's ass(stock) and the 670 has no chance against it even when overclocked.
I love it,as soon as I can I'll get another one and CF before the next gen is released,I wanna see how two of those overclocked match up with 2x7970's

My card is capable of 1375 / 1800 on water 24/7 stable. tongue.gif I can bench on air at 1300 / 1800 just fine. 24/7 stable (with high speed fans) I can pull off 1250 / 1800, limited by air temps.
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Every one knows the 680 got the upper hand and on the 7970. It is a notch up but nothing too dramatic. When amd has to drop the price and overclock the 7970, you know they needed something to make it competitive. When people are pouring into the marketplace and on ebay you see "selling 7970, upgraded to 680" or "trade 7970 for 680" you know the 680 is better. Now, its not perfect and the 7970 is better for larger resolutions and I strongly feel its scaling is a lot better in two or more cards. Overclocked, a 680 will blow the 7970 1ghz. Its an upgrade, something better. Is it leaps and bounds better? No, but its better, thus an upgrade. its like switching from ls6 to a z06, not a huge increase but noticeable.
As far as the 590, its definitely better than one 7970 or one 680, but its hotter, you have to contend with sli (when its an issue), consumes more power, and you're only upgrade path is another 590. 1.5gb of vram becomes a factor with higher resolutions. The 6990 is a better card in terms of performance but you have to contend with crossfire and the heat and noise. When one 6990 is noisier than two 590s, you wanna think twice about running a stock 6990.
I'm not a fan boy of either side. I recognize a cards strengths and weakness and I make logical recommendations based on what the user needs. As I mentioned to Testier early, its a great card but if he's looking for the next step (and I stress step not level wink.gif) the 680 would be it.
Personally, i would keep it and add another 7970 down the road.

the 680 beat a stock HD 7970 (925 Mhz) on launch. but its not the same now. clock speed improvements to HD 7970 Ghz , driver improvements have made it the fastest card for any resolution above 1080p. When a product sells better it might be due to many factors other than performance - efficiency where Kepler scores and stronger brand where Nvidia is more dominant. But Nvidia's Kepler efficiency is a direct result of design choices. Nvidia GTX 680 sucks for compute and professional apps. thats why supercomputer and HPC customers are waiting for Big Kepler or GK110. Its not as if AMD has a poor design. its the cost of a chip which performs well in a range of applications. If you really want to praise Nvidia for efficiency wait for GTX 780 vs HD 8970 before doing that. In fact GTX 680 falls behind GTX 580 in cases where double precision is involved. thats not what you call flagship chip performance.

http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition-review--tahiti-s-boost-from-overclocking-and-drivers/16362-8.html

Nvidia can afford to stay at launch prices because their brand is stronger than AMD. But that does not reflect on actual performance at all. it does not matter even if they are slightly behind the HD 7970. More people pick a Geforce over a Radeon. thats the reason. In selling a product market perception is everything. You should see how Apple makes a killing based on market perception about its products. charges huge premium and has margins which no other company in the PC and mobile space can ever dream of. Nvidia has 60% of desktop market and AMD has 40%.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/HD_7970_Toxic_6_GB/28.html

2560 x 1600

HD 7970 (925) - 88
GTX 680 - 89
HD 7970 Ghz - 97
HD 7970 Ghz (1100) - 100
HD 7970 Ghz (1200) - 106


http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Point_Of_View/GeForce_GTX_680_TGT_Ultra_4_GB/28.html

2560 x 1600

HD 7970 - 95
GTX 680 - 95
GTX 680 (1175 boost) - 100
HD 7970 Ghz - 105

actually GTX 680 is a downgrade to a HD 7970 Ghz for high resolutions. Even for 1080p they are similar in performance.
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Impressive! thumb.gif

for example post like this make me wonder why some one with HD7970 would like to sell it and get a GTX680? what for?
5 or 10fps? more? lol
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My card is capable of 1375 / 1800 on water 24/7 stable. tongue.gif I can bench on air at 1300 / 1800 just fine. 24/7 stable (with high speed fans) I can pull off 1250 / 1800, limited by air temps.

Nice clocks thumb.gif How much difference in memory clocks oc vs stock?



Any one? smile.gif
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edit: What's the best 1ghz drivers out there to flash? I had a lot of success with Sapphire with the 69xx series. I got a Visiontek, a Sapphire coming in, and hopefully an XFX 7970.
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My card is capable of 1375 / 1800 on water 24/7 stable. tongue.gif I can bench on air at 1300 / 1800 just fine. 24/7 stable (with high speed fans) I can pull off 1250 / 1800, limited by air temps.

Nice clocks thumb.gif How much difference in memory clocks oc vs stock?



Any one? smile.gif
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edit: What's the best 1ghz drivers out there to flash? I had a lot of success with Sapphire with the 69xx series. I got a Visiontek, a Sapphire coming in, and hopefully an XFX 7970.

1) Pretty large difference in memory clocks. Roughly 5-8 FPS or so in Crysis on average from 1500 to 1800.

2) 12.7b Beta's.

3) I'd advise you to avoid the XFX card unless its reference (and even then, be warned of their warranty practices). Otherwise your card choices are fine. So long as you know the risks with XFX, then whatever. smile.gif I have been hearing more and more lately that they're getting better with warranty.... but their BE cooler is absolutely horrible on the 7900's.
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1) Pretty large difference in memory clocks. Roughly 5-8 FPS or so in Crysis on average from 1500 to 1800.
2) 12.7b Beta's.
3) I'd advise you to avoid the XFX card unless its reference (and even then, be warned of their warranty practices). Otherwise your card choices are fine. So long as you know the risks with XFX, then whatever. smile.gif I have been hearing more and more lately that they're getting better with warranty.... but their BE cooler is absolutely horrible on the 7900's.

doh.gif I meant 1ghz bios redface.gif

The XFx is only a couple of months and i got a super nice price for it that I couldn't pass up. And it is reference biggrin.gif. I got the cards based on age and price but I'm pretty stoked to run amd. I was so impressed with Eyefintiy and three 6970 though sadly one card was a dud. Having the extra vram is awesome. All in all, I'm just shy of $1k investment in all three, pricey but I needed something powerful to keep me busy for sometime. New baby on the way so no more upgrades for a while redface.gif
Edited by wermad - 9/9/12 at 9:15pm
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1) Pretty large difference in memory clocks. Roughly 5-8 FPS or so in Crysis on average from 1500 to 1800.
2) 12.7b Beta's.
3) I'd advise you to avoid the XFX card unless its reference (and even then, be warned of their warranty practices). Otherwise your card choices are fine. So long as you know the risks with XFX, then whatever. smile.gif I have been hearing more and more lately that they're getting better with warranty.... but their BE cooler is absolutely horrible on the 7900's.

thats not true at all i have XFX7950 BE 900mhz one... and i manually overclock it after reading this to 1050core/1500mhz memory with stock voltages
and i adjusted the fan at 75% and temp were never more than 60C on 3dmark
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