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I dont think most people realize you receive a backplate and a single slot pci connector with the Komodo blocks. If you buy the EK equivalent block with backplate and single slot connector the price comparison is almost equal. That being said, what if Switfech only sold the nickle Komodo block? Pricing it inline with EK an others. Then it would be a performance based selection only. When you look at 100$ EK vrs 150$ Switftech block and a performance difference of <5c probably under load, why would you spend 50% more money for such little gain?

Yes this is right, but I will also add this: EK and all others have been mostly catering to DIY market, whereas we have been working with Corporate giant EVGA for close to 4 years. The design philosophy and the requirements are quite different. I started designing true full cover blocks (covering the entire card) ever since we started with EVGA, because they represent a safer solution, and since I liked it, I expanded the design to our AMD offerings. Obviously there is a cost premium to it (more material, machining, etc..).
Now (why am I surprised really..) I see that EK is starting to also offer true full cover.. and guess what, all of sudden we find ourselves at equal pricing (with equal offering, such as back-plate etc..).. hmm what a concept!
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Parallel Is where it is at my 3 gpus avg between 35 and 37c with big overclocks after running 24 hrs a day for 2 weeks. Still you need to lower your prices and compete a little better with other brands if you want my Business.
See above design philosophy. I am not interested in competing on price alone on this product line. I guess I have different priorities, safety being at the top of the list. I do what I do because I believe in it and it makes me feel good. Not willing to compromise on that subject. When I retire, others will do whatever they want.
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A lot of fluid dynamics and thermal dynamics involved to generalize but I have been digging deep into the Parrallel vs serial isue myself and for the pump(s)/blocks/rads/and number of cards I have put together, Parallel is superior to serial. I get 28c idle and 37c loaded @ 23 -+24c ambient on all four GPU's. It does take a tremendous amount of flow to do it without developing dead spots in the GPU blocks.
thanks for confirming my findings then ;-)
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both LEDS are on but the used one is really dim, did you change LEDs to a bighter led later in production or could it just be hidden? ( have not taken it off to see how the led is held in place.)
also when are we gonna be able to get those qdcs i see in your pic... eta was 4/20 and have heard nothing since !~~
lastly any idea when the new tubing will be available... waiting for that to make a big purchase from your store.

i like how the design is on the komodo and to be honest it really is not a bad design my mcp350x still has GREAT flow even in serial .... ( putting in parallel as soon as i can get the extenders. and new o ring as one was damaged. on that note i have not heard from michell in a week or so gonna call back on monday to get the size of the orings)

side note. originally i wanted to go with black fittings but they are hard to find in stock ( esp the 45 and 90s ) but after having to buy some chrome ones i think i am going to go all chrome i really have to admit the look grew on me and i really really like it.
one slight correction they dont nickle plate. it is real chrome !~

but i tend to agree with you . however most of the consumers wanted the all in one package ( xstreme systems ) gabe did ask and got feed back. but if people dont know it comes with it. i say it is there fault for not doing the research .

also i think all the other blocks look horrible.
i love how the komodos cover the FULL GPU not jsut the core mem and vrms .

only thing i prefer over swiftech on ANY product swiftech makes is aphacool rads. to my knowledge swiftech uses brass chambers and does not have 45, 60 and 80mm rads hopefully gabe will change this. ( on top of the 3ports in 3 ports out and 1 port up top for 60 and 80mm rads..
cant wait for their qdcs as i hate koolance ( personal thing ) and wouldnt but them but to include all the extras the swiftech has....

small issues with the komodos ( they did it for warranty i get it but i like to change my o rings )is the sticker that covers the screw holes. and other bad thing ( as is TRUE with ANY substantial block ) is the weight currently designing a custom GPU stand ( would like to use frozenq for it, but i dont think acrylic can take the weight/bumps and bruises. so will be using 80/20 1010 aluminum tslot extrusion, he will be making the sign to hide it though !~ )
should throw in a apogeehd and really see the difference.

also waiting for the h220 pump to be sold as stand alone ( to my knowledge there is plans for this ) until then i will be buying the double pump from swiftech. ( 2x mcp35x ) i love the fact that it is a completely designed by swiftech pump and not a rebrand ( other pumps are good but i just like innovation )
i honestly think they compete just fine as i said he asked on xstreme systems what the users would want best. and they picked. not like he made the choice himself. he did give the people a choice aio backplate block and pci bracket. and honestly i MUCH prefer it this way. and i will buy more !~ .

I' ll respond quickly because I'd like to go home.. but first thanks for your support :-)
Komodo LED's: we haven't changed anything.
QDC's : they are in stock and for sale :-)
New tubing: we have 5/8" in black and white, in stock.
Komodo sticker: you can get replacement :-)
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1)Now (why am I surprised really..) I see that EK is starting to also offer true full cover.. and guess what, all of sudden we find ourselves at equal pricing (with equal offering, such as back-plate etc..).. hmm what a concept!

2)See above design philosophy. I am not interested in competing on price alone on this product line. I guess I have different priorities, safety being at the top of the list. I do what I do because I believe in it and it makes me feel good. Not willing to compromise on that subject. When I retire, others will do whatever they want.

3)I' ll respond quickly because I'd like to go home.. but first thanks for your support :-)
Komodo LED's: we haven't changed anything.
QDC's : they are in stock and for sale :-)
New tubing: we have 5/8" in black and white, in stock.
Komodo sticker: you can get replacement :-)

1 besides the fact they look better and well..... i always prefer buying kits to piecing it out

2 1&2 are some of a few reasons i will exclusively buy swiftech where i can
on side note. also thanks for coming to the red family one of the reasons i wont buy evga ( they do make great products please dont get me wrong ) is they are intel/nvidia onry !~

3 thanks for the responses

Edit also should of mentioned i want the 3/4x1/2 tubing in white
Edited by Mega Man - 5/18/13 at 3:53pm
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Sounds like a ULPS issues? Have you disabled it? I'd also reccomend you reflash bios 1 on the bottom card via command prompt and make sure they bios .rom file name is not longer than 8 characters

5 points for you dear sir, it was a ulps issue, Thnak you.
flashing bios 1 might still be worth doing you say?
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They look alright not a fan of the lights.. i also like the bling factor my blocks have..

Also the look of the Heat killer copper..

Flat black with red lights looks good tho.. but not 160$ good. my blocks were 103$ each.

With that money saved would have been almost enough to buy another 7950..

Or Go 3770k..
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A lot of fluid dynamics and thermal dynamics involved to generalize but I have been digging deep into the Parrallel vs serial isue myself and for the pump(s)/blocks/rads/and number of cards I have put together, Parallel is superior to serial. I get 28c idle and 37c loaded @ 23 -+24c ambient on all four GPU's. It does take a tremendous amount of flow to do it without developing dead spots in the GPU blocks.
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thanks for confirming my findings then ;-)

Thanks for posting yours. I get told I'm nuts for parallel cooling on a regular basis. thumb.gif

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A lot of fluid dynamics and thermal dynamics involved to generalize but I have been digging deep into the Parrallel vs serial isue myself and for the pump(s)/blocks/rads/and number of cards I have put together, Parallel is superior to serial. I get 28c idle and 37c loaded @ 23 -+24c ambient on all four GPU's. It does take a tremendous amount of flow to do it without developing dead spots in the GPU blocks.
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should throw in a apogeehd and really see the difference.

also waiting for the h220 pump to be sold as stand alone ( to my knowledge there is plans for this ) until then i will be buying the double pump from swiftech. ( 2x mcp35x ) i love the fact that it is a completely designed by swiftech pump and not a rebrand ( other pumps are good but i just like innovation )

I will assume you are kidding about the Apogee smile.gif
I have 3X VPP-655 Pumps, 1X Phobya DC-12-400 Pump, and four rads in this thing. I have not seen anybody with Apogee have any cooler temps. Any comparison I have seen has the Koolance 370 and the Apogee within less than half a degree and usually on the 370's favor.
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The Apongee Drive II is one of the very best blocks on the market and it has one of the very best pumps in it the 35X

Id take those over a 655 any day most of all in a big loop like mine.

Only thing i do not like about it is trying to hide the wires coming from it.
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The Apongee is one of the very best blocks on the market and it has one of the very best pumps in it the 35X

Id take those over a 655 any day most of all in a big loop like mine.

I tried the X35, and gave it back. I tried a lot of components and kept the ones that produced the best results.
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You do not have enough loop for the 35x it is 655 sized. i use 2 35X in it and that is all that is needed for me... and i have great results.

For short 1-2 hr runs my stuff runs like 35 = 36c

I said 37c = 38 c running 24 hrs a day for weeks at a time like my gpus do.. in that time frame heat really gets to set in and it comes down to keeping the room temp down.

My pc room is like 9 foot by 10 foot with one AC duct..

With 6 7950s in this room running 24/7 7 days a week so it tends to hover around 27c in my room lol.

My other 2 systems are in my basement which is a HUGE room that stays 18 c at all times.
    
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You do not have enough loop for the 35x it is 655 sized. i use 2 35X in it and that is all that is needed for me... and i have great results.

For short 1-2 hr runs my stuff runs like 35 = 36c

I said 37c = 38 c running 24 hrs a day for weeks at a time like my gpus do.. in that time frame heat really gets to set in and it comes down to keeping the room temp down.

My pc room is like 9 foot by 10 foot with one AC duct..

With 6 7950s in this room running 24/7 7 days a week so it tends to hover around 27c in my room lol.

My other 2 systems are in my basement which is a HUGE room that stays 18 c at all times.




I'm not sure what pumps you think I have, or what my loop consists of but they are these:



and as you pointed out, this is yours:


The specs for both:


I would ask what you are talking about...but you might try to explain. wink.gif

Good luck with everything.
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I'm not sure what pumps you think I have, or what my loop consists of but they are these:



and as you pointed out, this is yours:


The specs for both:


I would ask what you are talking about...but you might try to explain. wink.gif

Good luck with everything.

I have 3 Giant res 4 Giant rads 4 wbs and 12 feet of tubing.

655 Pumps are not ideal for this..

The D5 Strong and the MCP 35X are.
    
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7950 w/ Alphacool block G.SKILL Trident X 2500mhz 2x4gb SanDisk Extreme 240gb sata III 6gbs x5 SwiftTech Apongee Drive II 
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Monsta 360 86mm thick rad X 4 MCP 35X Pump x2 400ML Frozen Q Fusion res x3 Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit 
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CatLeap 2560x1440 + Acer hn274h bmiiid 120hz 3D Logitech G19 Corsair Ax1200 watts  Mountain Mods Ascension 
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