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......7950, not 290x

CF without bridge works fine also on older cards. I have used it, for example, for cross-firing as early as with 5770's. They do have CF fingers on them, you just don't need to put a bridge on them if you don't feel like it. As I was running eyefinity (which exceeds the bandwidth of CF bridges anyway) I could not detect any measurable difference in performance between CF with bridge and CF without bridge in my case (total resolution was 5400x1920). Both cards were in PCI-e 2.0 x8 slots but I have done it briefly also with x16 + x4 PCIe 2.0 slots.

gonna go with no ... older cards did not need them, 7970s/7950s need them
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Also you can do crossfire without bridge. Bridge is only a modified DVI link anyway and as such runs into bandwidth issues if you are running resolutions larger than 2560x1600.

almost, its a PCIe lane link for buffer streaming, generally the 79x0s *require* it to link together as they don't have the tech the 290/Xs do. Even though in eyefinity the actual link isn't used for buffers, just sync data.
   
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GPU OC is stuck at 1200/1600, any higher seems to Bsod. Power limit settings doesn't seem to help. :'( (7970 ghz)

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almost, its a PCIe lane link for buffer streaming, generally the 79x0s *require* it to link together as they don't have the tech the 290/Xs do. Even though in eyefinity the actual link isn't used for buffers, just sync data.

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gonna go with no ... older cards did not need them, 7970s/7950s need them

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made sure it isn't a bad bridge?

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......7950, not 290x

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CF without bridge works fine also on older cards. I have used it, for example, for cross-firing as early as with 5770's. They do have CF fingers on them, you just don't need to put a bridge on them if you don't feel like it. As I was running eyefinity (which exceeds the bandwidth of CF bridges anyway) I could not detect any measurable difference in performance between CF with bridge and CF without bridge in my case (total resolution was 5400x1920). Both cards were in PCI-e 2.0 x8 slots but I have done it briefly also with x16 + x4 PCIe 2.0 slots.

The Funny thing was, Crossfire and Frame Pacing Options were still available to be changed in CCC with the bridge off. I didnt test it though, I Run 7440x1080, So the lil Bridge is worthless for frame buffer, pretty sure when in Eyefinity it sends the buffer another method.
Shrug.

Pretty sure it's the 14.2 Drivers, or the bridge/7950 issue.

I had no problems what so ever with Cat 14.1 w/ ULPS Disabled (so both cards stayed on),
As Soon as I loaded 14.2 I had the issues with lock ups,
Before the driver even finished installing, and several times and reboots afterwards.
ULPS is Enabled again and the 7950 shuts off, even through all the ULPS Registry Entries still have the disabled Value.

With Ambient temps outside going back up, I dont want 2 GPU's cooking each other.
I rarely play games during the summer as it's simply too hot, and it's uncomfortable to sit and sweat while playing.

When I get around to it, I have another PC that I can put back together just to stress test the 7950 to make sure its still good.

I have about 6 XFire Bridges, dont know where they came from, I got 1 with my 7950 another with my 7870XT, and I think 2 with my mainboard.
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Well - the best way of avoiding cards cooking each other is to water cool smile.gif Although if I remember correct the 7950 you have is non-reference so it is not possible to find full block for it and if you use core-only block pick one carefully as the heatspreader under the rad will get in the way if it's one of the large ones. You would also need the 0.5 mm thick copper shim as on these cards the GPU core is lower than the protective edge around it. If you have 3 slots of space for the 7950 then http://www.aquatuning.de/product_info.php/info/p12500_Alphacool-HF-14-ATI-NVidia-Smart-Motion-Universal-Copper-Edition.html is one of the cheapest ones I'm aware of (and it gets the job done just fine, only problem is that it's 3 slot business).

For me the main point of watercooling is to make GFX cards to behave and not sound like angry vacuum cleaner. GFX cards just love water. For CPU the difference between high end air and watercooling is pretty low other than noise, but for GPU's the difference is significant even with weak loop.

Granted water-cooling is also substantial amount of additional hassle over air, especially if you want to switch cards regularly.
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made sure it isn't a bad bridge?
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Well - the best way of avoiding cards cooking each other is to water cool smile.gif Although if I remember correct the 7950 you have is non-reference so it is not possible to find full block for it and if you use core-only block pick one carefully as the heatspreader under the rad will get in the way if it's one of the large ones. You would also need the 0.5 mm thick copper shim as on these cards the GPU core is lower than the protective edge around it. If you have 3 slots of space for the 7950 then http://www.aquatuning.de/product_info.php/info/p12500_Alphacool-HF-14-ATI-NVidia-Smart-Motion-Universal-Copper-Edition.html is one of the cheapest ones I'm aware of (and it gets the job done just fine, only problem is that it's 3 slot business).

For me the main point of watercooling is to make GFX cards to behave and not sound like angry vacuum cleaner. GFX cards just love water. For CPU the difference between high end air and watercooling is pretty low other than noise, but for GPU's the difference is significant even with weak loop.

Granted water-cooling is also substantial amount of additional hassle over air, especially if you want to switch cards regularly.

AiO Water System Mounting is planned, Just havent gotten around to the money and time, I'd have to set a side a day to open case re-arrange everything, move some fans out of slots for the new rad/fans.

I also have another year+ on the MSI Warranty for the Lightning, and I'm not modding it until then.

The temps were only 2^C more than normal with both cards on and Idling (with ULPS Off), and Fans at 80%

I think the Overall issue is the Driver,
And the reason I just pulled the 2nd card out now is because the main simulator I'm running doesn't support DX11/XFire Yet, So it has no purpose,

Once the Sim Upgrades to DX11/Xfire Capable, I'll RedMod the Sapphire and Put it back in.
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I dunno, there's another Lightning on eBay for $240 ending... might have to snipe bid someone.
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I dunno, there's another Lightning on eBay for $240 ending... might have to snipe bid someone.
I shall snipe bid you!
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Well - the best way of avoiding cards cooking each other is to water cool smile.gif Although if I remember correct the 7950 you have is non-reference so it is not possible to find full block for it and if you use core-only block pick one carefully as the heatspreader under the rad will get in the way if it's one of the large ones. You would also need the 0.5 mm thick copper shim as on these cards the GPU core is lower than the protective edge around it. If you have 3 slots of space for the 7950 then http://www.aquatuning.de/product_info.php/info/p12500_Alphacool-HF-14-ATI-NVidia-Smart-Motion-Universal-Copper-Edition.html is one of the cheapest ones I'm aware of (and it gets the job done just fine, only problem is that it's 3 slot business).

For me the main point of watercooling is to make GFX cards to behave and not sound like angry vacuum cleaner. GFX cards just love water. For CPU the difference between high end air and watercooling is pretty low other than noise, but for GPU's the difference is significant even with weak loop.

Granted water-cooling is also substantial amount of additional hassle over air, especially if you want to switch cards regularly.
yea, i would love to see you boot on air at the settings i have ( 5.5ghz + )
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Originally Posted by Carniflex View Post

Well - the best way of avoiding cards cooking each other is to water cool smile.gif Although if I remember correct the 7950 you have is non-reference so it is not possible to find full block for it and if you use core-only block pick one carefully as the heatspreader under the rad will get in the way if it's one of the large ones. You would also need the 0.5 mm thick copper shim as on these cards the GPU core is lower than the protective edge around it. If you have 3 slots of space for the 7950 then http://www.aquatuning.de/product_info.php/info/p12500_Alphacool-HF-14-ATI-NVidia-Smart-Motion-Universal-Copper-Edition.html is one of the cheapest ones I'm aware of (and it gets the job done just fine, only problem is that it's 3 slot business).

For me the main point of watercooling is to make GFX cards to behave and not sound like angry vacuum cleaner. GFX cards just love water. For CPU the difference between high end air and watercooling is pretty low other than noise, but for GPU's the difference is significant even with weak loop.

Granted water-cooling is also substantial amount of additional hassle over air, especially if you want to switch cards regularly.

AiO Water System Mounting is planned, Just havent gotten around to the money and time, I'd have to set a side a day to open case re-arrange everything, move some fans out of slots for the new rad/fans.

I also have another year+ on the MSI Warranty for the Lightning, and I'm not modding it until then.

The temps were only 2^C more than normal with both cards on and Idling (with ULPS Off), and Fans at 80%

I think the Overall issue is the Driver,
And the reason I just pulled the 2nd card out now is because the main simulator I'm running doesn't support DX11/XFire Yet, So it has no purpose,

Once the Sim Upgrades to DX11/Xfire Capable, I'll RedMod the Sapphire and Put it back in.

msi honors warranties with waterblocked cards, one of the many reasons i bought msi and i continue to do so !
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