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just buy the stuff, then get her some flowers and tell her you love her. that usually works for me. biggrin.gif

I meant as gifts, lol. I just buy the stuff myself, its my money, I'll do with it what I please biggrin.gif
     
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Yepp, tried about everything mate... To put things in perspective, this weekend this far...
3 x windows installs.
50-something restarts.
Over 20 hours testing.
Installed and reinstalled things over 50 times.
My whole weekend has been like this, and before that i also had other problems with my previous graphics card. But no mater what i can't find the problems... This includes trying different hardware also. (You can see my thead on this AMD/ATi part of the forum if your interested, i take all tips and tricks to hearth)

You probably won't like this reply, but here goes...

 

I bought 2 x Asus 6870 DCUII's and after about a full day of f#$%^&*k around with crossfire, that told me all that I needed to know, and why I'd read SO many posts over the years about the problems people have with more than one card. People told me there was that risk with 2 cards, and I was better spending the money on a single more powerful cards, but I was entranced by those crossfire benchmarks...

 

My personal opinion is that the basic architecture is flawed. Chips these days should have the capability to do on-the-fly adjustments and adaptations, if they were designed and engineered that way.

 

What I mean is that if (hypothetically) you started a new graphics card company now, and resources were irrelevant for the sake of this postulation, then you would want any card to be able to harness the power of any other card right? Maybe not across brands with different architectures for sure, but certainly within a family. So I can buy my new 7970, strap it to a 5770 and 6870, and they all word seemlessly without any additional drivers or software. Each card is designed to work with previous and future generations of technology from the ground up, so this is theoretically possible. Big breath...

 

But what we actually have is a cobbled-together legacy architecture that requires multiple sets of software and drivers continually updated just to try and leep up with new hardware and game development technologies. And it is ONE EPIC FAIL.

 

So I took out my 2nd expensive (then) 6870, and it's been gathering dust ever since.

 

My own observation is that the vast majority of people that have serious and ongoing issues, is with multiple-card and multiple-monitor setups.

 

As a comparison, in 1996 (I think), Canon decided to change, for the first time in it;s history, its basic lens mount. The foundation for the whole range of $100,000 + camera setups that pros all over the world use. But they knew that if they didn't make this leap, and re-engineer in one foul swoop the old system,then they couldn't take advantage of the new technologies that were coming with digital. This caused MAJOR issues and backlash worldwide in the entire photographic community. But no non will argue had they not taken that giant leap and risk, they would never have achieved the global domination and success they have today.
 

So my advice to you my friend is sell the second card, and console yourself (as I have done recently after some sage advice) that you a) have a card that 99% of the world cannot afford, and b) have the 2nd most powerful video graphics card in history. Overclocked, and always with the extra potential with water cooling, you have a beast of a system that will most likely max out every game for the next 2 or so years.

 

I don't mind if you disagree, or anyone else, these are just my own reflections. FWIW.

 

Get rid of crossfire, get rid of cap, and get rid of 99% of your problems, most likely. Read the 7770 thread - that is a great way to keep your (our) feet on the ground. So many people are so excited to get one of those cards, I guess as I was when I got my first 5770 after being purely being a console gamer. I had finally hit the big leagues yay! lol

 

Good luck and be happy soon ok! :)

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Already done the registry fix. Also heard that it CAN'T be ULPS as I'm single card (not sure if that's correct or not though). Nothing has fixed it except not overclocking.

I am on my second 7970 card now, 1st was ASUS now MSI no issues. Can you RMA your card with Sapphire? I still remember my friend fighting his 5870 that we both though had a driver issue and was just a bad card. He wasted so much time on it.

Why would the card be bad though? It works perfectly fine at stock, and it plays fine overclocked. It's just when I'm overclocked and the machine goes idle for like 2 hours is when it decides to lock up.

And no, there is no BSOD at all. It's just a flat out hard lock up. No BSOD at all...my machine just won't come back on, or it'll try to and the screen is frozen.
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You probably won't like this reply, but here goes...

I bought 2 x Asus 6870 DCUII's and after about a full day of f#$%^&*k around with crossfire, that told me all that I needed to know, and why I'd read SO many posts over the years about the problems people have with more than one card. People told me there was that risk with 2 cards, and I was better spending the money on a single more powerful cards, but I was entranced by those crossfire benchmarks...

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But what we actually have is a cobbled-together legacy architecture that requires multiple sets of software and drivers continually updated just to try and leep up with new hardware and game development technologies. And it is ONE EPIC FAIL.

So I took out my 2nd expensive (then) 6870, and it's been gathering dust ever since.

My own observation is that the vast majority of people that have serious and ongoing issues, is with multiple-card and multiple-monitor setups.

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So my advice to you my friend is sell the second card, and console yourself (as I have done recently after some sage advice) that you a) have a card that 99% of the world cannot afford, and b) have the 2nd most powerful video graphics card in history. Overclocked, and always with the extra potential with water cooling, you have a beast of a system that will most likely max out every game for the next 2 or so years.

I don't mind if you disagree, or anyone else, these are just my own reflections. FWIW.

Get rid of crossfire, get rid of cap, and get rid of 99% of your problems, most likely. Read the 7770 thread - that is a great way to keep your (our) feet on the ground. So many people are so excited to get one of those cards, I guess as I was when I got my first 5770 after being purely being a console gamer. I had finally hit the big leagues yay! lol

Good luck and be happy soon ok! smile.gif

Wow, long post there smile.gif

Ye, i kinda agree with you. However i'm also having problems with just one card, and my previous card. I've tried multiple stuff, and multiple hardware. Even sent back mobo and ram and still same problems... Strangest thing is that its so damn random. Like now 5 min ago things crashed that 10 min before that worked completely fine with the exact same settings....that just baffles me...

A good thing tho is that i always buy from the same shop, which has super service. I did a big big fault on my mates mobo, didn't put in the ram far enough, blew my ram sticks and his mobo, got everything covered smile.gif My point being that my secondary card is 7 days old, and i have 45 days "open buy" (means that if you are not happy, forwhatever reason i can send it back and get my money...)
Edited by Ottesen - 2/18/12 at 10:00pm
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Why would the card be bad though? It works perfectly fine at stock, and it plays fine overclocked. It's just when I'm overclocked and the machine goes idle for like 2 hours is when it decides to lock up.
And no, there is no BSOD at all. It's just a flat out hard lock up. No BSOD at all...my machine just won't come back on, or it'll try to and the screen is frozen.

It sounds to me it's faulty somewhere. If everything works as planned except in idle, I'd return/replace and try your luck again.
     
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Why would the card be bad though? It works perfectly fine at stock, and it plays fine overclocked. It's just when I'm overclocked and the machine goes idle for like 2 hours is when it decides to lock up.
And no, there is no BSOD at all. It's just a flat out hard lock up. No BSOD at all...my machine just won't come back on, or it'll try to and the screen is frozen.

It sounds to me it's faulty somewhere. If everything works as planned except in idle, I'd return/replace and try your luck again.

But it works exactly as its supposed to without any overclocking done.
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might have one of them cards that just doesn't overclock i've seen that before/
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might have one of them cards that just doesn't overclock i've seen that before/

But it overclocks fine, and runs for hours and hours and hours stable in gaming / benching. It's only at idle after the monitors have shut off that I have the problem.
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But it overclocks fine, and runs for hours and hours and hours stable in gaming / benching. It's only at idle after the monitors have shut off that I have the problem.

How about just not letting the computer idle, and not let the monitors got off ? Just put everything on "never" on standby stuff ?
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I tried a bit more, only been working on this the last 12 hours so why not a bit more...
Testing Alan Wake
1: With one card, and overdrive off in ccc....works.
2: With one card, and overdrive on but stock settings....works.
3: With crossfire, don't work.
4: With any adjustment to the overdrive, don't work.
I've had problems since day one, always get the message and error saying "Display driver AMD driver stopped responding and has recovered". I even have a thread for it in here, and its so random :S
Suddenly i can play with both cards and overclocked, and suddenly not...

Adding stuff nr1: Going in the registry again and changing the "enableulps" made me able to run both 3dmark and Alan Wake, however with Alan wake i got terrible fps...
Adding stuff nr2: With ULPS gone i can also run benchmarks with both cards clocked... However Alan Wake crashed after 2 sek. When 3dmark works with crossfire and overclock it crashes if i just disable crossfire and run 3dmark. If i then put crossfire back on 3dmark runs fine again...
Adding stuff nr3: Okay, this is what gets me...not the stuff that worked fine 5 min ago crash with the exact same settings... why ?

Think i got it, but scared of being positive. So ones again i removed all drivers and programs affecting graphics cards. AND i removed my anti virus program. Installed ccc again and only that. I just tested Alan Wake,Bf3,Swtor,Skyrim, 3dmark vantage and 3dmark 11... no crash of freeze. Tried them with and with out crossfire, no problems. Also did a restart which has been the scariest thing ever and tried every game again, no problems smile.gif

So it COULD just be that my Avast antivirus made problems.... a bit to big of a coincidence that it works now. I noticed that Alan Wake don't like crossfire and that BF3 needs me to alt-tab to windows to get the primary 7950 started...lol, its always done that tho. So now is the real test, installing CAP and trixx/afterburner...
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