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I've not experienced any micro stutter at all with my crossfire 7970s and I've used both driver sets 12.2 and the latest 8.950.0 (if that's what it is, I can't remember!). Games are playing silky smooth. The only game I've had a problem with is Alan Wake which at first wouldn't work with crossfire at all, it would just crash. Now with the latest drivers I'm getting full usage on both GPUs and like 45fps lol.

Otherwise, The performance of these cards is outstanding - I ran a fully maxed DiRT 3 bench earlier with a minimum FPS of 130. It's so nice to play like that on a 120Hz monitor, I can't really describe it. It's just really satisfying.
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My only complaint with the 12.2 WHQL drivers is the MLAA taking a huge performance hit. It's a driver problem...sure. But its an add on feature, not a necessity. It looks like the latest beta drivers might fix that problem, so the new WHQL's in April will fix it as well. For raw stability, I haven't had a problem EVER with AMD drivers, except when I first got this card and didn't know how to overclock it properly. Again, not a driver fault, but user error on that one.

I have used Nvidia and AMD / ATI for over a decade. My first graphics cards were an ATI Rage and a GeForce 2 (of each brand). I have used just about every series of cards, in just about every Windows OS. And I have NEVER had a driver problem, that was specifically a problem with the drivers...from AMD / ATI. Nvidia on the other hand, its always been hit or miss with me lately. Didn't use to be back in the day though.

So honestly... neither company has "better" drivers than the other. They're both solid. They just offer different features, that's really the biggest difference.

As far as crossfire / SLI goes...you're going to be riddled with problems with those kind of setups regardless of the brand. It DOES seem that Nvidia tends to have less issues than AMD does in this regard. But there's still problems with more than one GPU, no matter the brand name.
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5 full loops of Heaven Benchmark is about 20~25 minutes.
[EDIT]
Managed to enable voltage control and proper clock reading. I haven't stayed up with the 7970 overclocking wise because I have been on air, and just needed time to put on blocks.
Software I Used:
Using the latest Afterburner 2.2.0 Beta 15, 12.4 Beta Catalyst, 12.2 Cap1
Clean uninstall using AtiMan. Then Install of your choice of drivers and CAP profile.
Downloaded the missing atipdl64 / atipdlxx.dll, but them in the MSI Afterburner folder.
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Source: http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=359671
Edited the Config:
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Launched Afterburner, edited these settings, the new setting that worked for me was enabling Kernel mode.
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Edit Afterburner's shortcut and change Target line:
"C:\Program Files (x86)\MSI Afterburner\MSIAfterburner.exe" /XCL
Start Afterburner one time (it may pop up with a window asking you to reboot) and it will not start. Go back in, delete the /XCL part. Reboot machine now.
End Result:
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figured id bump this post in case others needed the info. 1 question though. what is the difference between using user mode vs kernel mode?
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If that's the case, then why is 3dMarks11 saying "STOP: Your score is Low compared to similar systems. There may be a problem"? See here.

Are you saying that the 3dMarks 11 Benchmark compares your score against the overclocked version? Because the FPS in the results I posted above don't look very good for a resolution of 1280 x 720.

Any additional insight is appreciated, and sorry to be so picky here, but I've spent so much money on this System that if anything is underperforming even slightly, I have no problem replacing it (but I would need to do so ASAP).

Thanks again. smile.gif

I just tried 3D Mark 11 for first time. Everything stock ( CPU: 3.3Ghz - GPU: 900Mhz ) and I got 7200 too. Then, I overclocked the card to 1100Mhz and I got 7815. Then, I overclocked the CPU +400Mhz and went 7990.

http://3dmark.com/healthcheck/3dm11/3042800

So I guess everything is O.K.

Personally, I don't give much attention to benchmarks. I don't trust 'em so much, to be honest. I certainly prefer in-game results. The indication you get "STOP: Your score is Low compared to similar systems. There may be a problem?" clearly leads on ads..."Check your PC with this Antivirus" - lol. Why I'd worry about?
Edited by Deo Domuique - 3/26/12 at 12:49am
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Deo, I'm running my Sapphire 7950 OC Edition at 1100 core, 1500 mem and have not had any problems whatsoever, max temps hitting ~63c I believe (just woke up, ill be able to confirm in a hour or two haha) my volts are at 1231mV. ASIC quality at 74.4%... I use only Afterburner, and have not tampered with any CCC OC settings at all. Hope this helps thumb.gif Let me know if I can do anything else for you
Edit: I'm running Driver 8.950

I tried almost the same clocks ( Memory 1400 ). 2 hours battlefield 3 without a signle problem, although, I didn't like the temps. 70C Max - 57% Fan Speed. What's yours? Do you play BF3? So, 1000Mhz with 1.075V and Max Temps 55-57C, I think it's gonna be my default clocks when I play. I can with lower voltage ( 1.055 ), but I want to be sure.
Edited by Deo Domuique - 3/26/12 at 1:23am
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I am seriously contemplating two 7970 Lightnings when they become available but I have never owned an AMD card before and the Nvidia guys have me a little worried about drivers and CF (stuttering). Somebody give me the truth about the 7970 driver situation and the microstutter issue with CF. Are the latest drivers for the 7970 really that bad and if so, in which games?
The only driver issue I'm still currently having is the long idle bug that will leave the system unresponsive.
The only way around that for me is to not have the monitor shut off at all (via software).

Games run great and very smooth.
I haven't noticed any texture flickering yet.
I can't comment on CF for the 7970, but I did have dual 6970s before and I didn't notice any heavy micro stuttering or crashes directly related to CF.
The only problem was the lateness of AMD's App Profiles that would enable or improve CF performance for new games.
According to AMD, they are stepping it up in that department.

Am I honestly pretty happy with my card?
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figured id bump this post in case others needed the info. 1 question though. what is the difference between using user mode vs kernel mode?

I too would like to know this smile.gif

I've noticed texture flickering in BF3 at times (particularly on B2K, and even more so on Wake Island), but I've had it ever since BF3 came out (in that time I've had AMD CF, nVidia, AMD) so I think it's a game issue.
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anyone getting a grass glitch where it go's white when you move in arma 2 arrowhead? and the gfx seem like they did not load all the way?
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figured id bump this post in case others needed the info. 1 question though. what is the difference between using user mode vs kernel mode?

I too would like to know this smile.gif

I've noticed texture flickering in BF3 at times (particularly on B2K, and even more so on Wake Island), but I've had it ever since BF3 came out (in that time I've had AMD CF, nVidia, AMD) so I think it's a game issue.



http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=351678&page=2

 

Kernel mode RTCore driver has been upgraded to v1.6. New driver introduces RivaTuner-styled experimental protected MMIO IOCTLs and removes outdated IOCTLs dedicated for some old and currently abandoned RTCore technology based applications (HIS iTurbo and RMClock)
 

New protected MMIO IOCTLs allow MSI Afterburner to hide all low-level access to hardware much deeper into the driver, into separate kernel address space, where it cannot be accessed by unsafe user mode applications like Punkbuster. Protected MMIO can be enabled by editing configuration file and setting MMIOUserMode to 0 (it is set to 1 by default).

 

Quote:
Regarding this interesting new feature (protected MMIO), there is any other advantage in using it besides avoiding conflicts with apps like PunkBuster (which is great btw)? Just out of curiosity, why did you opted to leave it disabled by default? Any possible drawbacks?

There are no additional advantages in this mode besides hiding MMIO memory ranges from Punkbuster's nose. And yes, there are drawbacks as well. First, it eats kernel memory space (which is shared for all drivers running into the system and limited to 1gb on 32-bit OS). Second, it is a few times slower in terms of accessing GPU registers.

 

http://www.guru3d.com/news/-msi-afterburner-220-beta-9/

 

Added new compatibility option allowing using protected kernel mode low-level access to hardware instead of user mode one. This option can also be used to bypass Punkbuster related stability issues.

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My only complaint with the 12.2 WHQL drivers is the MLAA taking a huge performance hit. It's a driver problem.

This is fixed with the amd_radeon_hd_7800_8.95.5_win7-64 beta drivers that came out last week so look for it in the next release. It was an 80% performance bump with MLAA 2.0.
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