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I stopped reading here. Strong unawareness of how many people buy Macbooks to run CPU-intensive applications like Photoshop and Final Cut Pro. And lol @ thinking gaming is the most important priority for people who are in the market for a Macbook.
An AMD Macbook air or Macbook Pro? You mean, trade in half the CPU performance for a negligible gain in GPU performance compared to the HD4000 on Ivy Bridge?
No thanks.

Photoshop can be run on Windows, and will run better too.

For what these do, they don't need much CPU power, but more iGPU power. Don't kid everyone, Intel onboard is horrid and always will be.

People pandering HD4000 like its sliced bread, its not even out yet and will still be in no way competitive to AMD's Trinity/Llano line.

Half the performance? proof.gif
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Originally Posted by Jesse^_^ View Post

Photoshop can be run on Windows, and will run better too.
For what these do, they don't need much CPU power, but more iGPU power. Don't kid everyone, Intel onboard is horrid and always will be.
People pandering HD4000 like its sliced bread, its not even out yet and will still be in no way competitive to AMD's Trinity/Llano line.
Half the performance? proof.gif

Yeah I didnt even read that part. IB is to have 50% better graphics than SB. But Trinity is to have at least 50% better graphics than Llano which puts intel in the same postition if not worse than last year.

AMD graphics blow intels graphics away any day of the week. If yuo think otherwise then you are only kidding yourself.

Also, Trinity is to have 25% increase in cpu performance over Llano but IB is to have less than 10% performance increase over SB. Compute power of Trinity is a lot closer to performance of IB especially with AMD's fusion and app acceleration.

In 2012 so far the best bet for APU's is AMD's trinity from the looks of it so far. Time will only tell though.

Just want to make this clear. HD4000 graphics has nothing on AMD's Llano graphics let alone the 50% increase in Trinity's graphics. Go look at the proof yourself

Llano overall has 100% better graphics over HD3000 graphics and in some cases much more. Intel is definitely trying to get their gpu performance up but in reality it has nothing on AMD's graphics.
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post #103 of 162
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Half the performance? proof.gif

A mobile Sandy Bridge quad core is already more than twice as fast as a mobile Llano quad core. Not really a stretch to expect the same from Ivy vs. Trinity:

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post #104 of 162
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A mobile Sandy Bridge quad core is already more than twice as fast as a mobile Llano quad core. Not really a stretch to expect the same from Ivy vs. Trinity:
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So putting a budget laptop into a heavy hitters category makes it fair?

Same price point it owns, heck Llano is barely slower than lastgen Mobile i3/i5...(10%~)

Trinity will be a massive gain over Llano, yet IB is barely 10-20%..

If I had <$700 for a laptop, I'd get a Llano.
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A mobile Sandy Bridge quad core is already more than twice as fast as a mobile Llano quad core. Not really a stretch to expect the same from Ivy vs. Trinity:
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How do you see 1.88 being one half of 2.8. If you do the math correctly it is less than 50% better in your benchmark. IB is to have no considerable gain in performance over SB but Trinity is to have 25% increase in performance over Llano. So that puts Trinity about 25% less cpu power than IB. Not a 100% like you are saying. I would recommend taking algebra 1 or something like that.

your example clearly shows that SB is less than 50% better than Llano in this multithreaded benchmark. I see what your trying to do. You are comparing AMD's slowest A8 APU to intels fastest. AMD's fastest Llano apu is a 3550MX which has much higher clock speeds and higher ram speed suppoort.
The one that you are comparing the 3500M only compares to the i5. the one that is highlighted.

So you try to prove a point by comparing Intels fastest quad core apu with AMD's slowest quad core apu. I see how you like to do things but you cant get away with things like this in OCN. You see how the benchmark has only two highlighted is because they are they ones being compared.

Your slick moves arent going to work this time. Sorry.
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post #106 of 162
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Originally Posted by Jesse^_^ View Post

So putting a budget laptop into a heavy hitters category makes it fair?
Same price point it owns, heck Llano is barely slower than lastgen Mobile i3/i5...(10%~)
Trinity will be a massive gain over Llano, yet IB is barely 10-20%..
If I had <$700 for a laptop, I'd get a Llano.

You are correct. Price to performance is the biggest impact on a persons purchase. And with APU's, AMD comes out on top.

I cant believe he is trying to compare the fastest Intel quad core APU with AMD's slowest quad core APU. Just doesnt work in OCN. You got to work for best buy or something to get away with something like that. The fastest AMD quad core has a 25% higher core clock then the A8-3500M he is comparing to intels i7-2820QM. 25% higher core clock makes a big difference in multithreading benchmarks.
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post #107 of 162
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A mobile Sandy Bridge quad core is already more than twice as fast as a mobile Llano quad core. Not really a stretch to expect the same from Ivy vs. Trinity:
38900.png
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How do you see 1.88 being one half of 2.8. If you do the math correctly it is less than 50% better in your benchmark. IB is to have no considerable gain in performance over SB but Trinity is to have 25% increase in performance over Llano. So that puts Trinity about 25% less cpu power than IB. Not a 100% like you are saying. I would recommend taking algebra 1 or something like that.

your example clearly shows that SB is less than 50% better than Llano in this multithreaded benchmark. I see what your trying to do. You are comparing AMD's slowest A8 APU to intels fastest. AMD's fastest Llano apu is a 3550MX which has much higher clock speeds and higher ram speed suppoort.
The one that you are comparing the 3500M only compares to the i5. the one that is highlighted.

So you try to prove a point by comparing Intels fastest quad core apu with AMD's slowest quad core apu. I see how you like to do things but you cant get away with things like this in OCN. You see how the benchmark has only two highlighted is because they are they ones being compared.

Your slick moves arent going to work this time. Sorry.

Because 2.8 is for the dual-core i5. Nice try. Or are you saying AMD is so behind that we should only compare their quad cores to Intel's dual cores?

The quad-core i7s score more than twice as high as the Llano quad-cores.
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post #108 of 162
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You are correct. Price to performance is the biggest impact on a persons purchase. And with APU's, AMD comes out on top.
I cant believe he is trying to compare the fastest Intel quad core APU with AMD's slowest quad core APU. Just doesnt work in OCN. You got to work for best buy or something to get away with something like that. The fastest AMD quad core has a 25% higher core clock then the A8-3500M he is comparing to intels i7-2820QM. 25% higher core clock makes a big difference in multithreading benchmarks.

I noticed that, need to spend 2k+ to get the Intel CPU's in a laptop here in Aus.

But I can get a AMD Llano in a sub $700 laptop..

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Trinity will be a massive gain over Llano, yet IB is barely 10-20%..

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Two can play this game. Show me legit benchmarks that say the CPU performance of Trinity will be a "massive gain."
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Two can play this game. Show me legit benchmarks that say the CPU performance of Trinity will be a "massive gain."

There are no benchmarks out yet. But you are comparing AMD's slowest quad core with Intels fastest quad core. You nice try. That just doesnt make sense and is not proof that Intels apus are twice as powerful as amd's. If you compare AMD's fastest APU with Intels fastest APU then that is different but you didnt so your point has not been proven yet.

It has already been stated that Trinity will have 25% more cpu performance and at least 50% better gpu performance. You want proof, here it is.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5411/amds-trinity-apu-at-ces-shipping-in-mid2012

Now let me see your proof that IB will have better performance over SB.

I was just showing what they are comparing because they are closer in specs. But you are trying to compare Intels fastest quad core APU with AMD's slowest quad core APU. You nice try. Do you read people posts or do you just look at what you want to look at and then reply with another statement that doesnt make sense to the previous one. Read the posts if you're going to reply.
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