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No, they don't.(Oh wait!)

More proof
lachen.gif A couple of Fan issues on a few individual laptops.... Guess what, fans go bad on all laptops. Two of my DELL laptops have had to get their fans replaced. Oh noes, they must be defective too! Get a grip...
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..Really? I mean, really? The only OS that can claim the majority of its users are computer savvy are Linux, BSD and a few niche OS'
While you might know a lot of Mac users who are scientists, engineers, programmers, etc (I know a lot of programmers on Linux, does that mean all of Linux is programmers?) the majority would still easily be your average student who doesn't know much about PCs.

person I know who has a Macbook couldn't get bootcamp working so she could play Skyrim.
You over-estimate the savvyness of the average Mac user by quite a bit just because the ones near you use Macs for more than facebook, twitter and youtube.

Again, your personal anecdotal evidence of someone you know is not relative of the average mac user. No one said the majority. Reading comprehension fail... I said the average mac user is far more tech savvy and technically inclined than the average windows user. The fact that it has a great GUI on top of a solid UNIX core is why you see so many people in those fields using it. Don't confuse the average iPod/iPhone user you seen on youtube with the typical mac user.


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Was I claiming they will? I don't recall it.

Do I really need to quote you trying to claim 4.8Ghz BD is within "pissing distance" of a 2600K @ 5Ghz? You can't even remember what you wrote?
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And why would a Trinity based APU be too slow for the average Macbook Air, Mac Mini or iMac owner?

Are you really that ignorant? An iMac? That's a desktop system... The only thing Trinity has going for it is the integrated graphics and low power requirements. Not something that's of a huge concern to a desktop user. 77W is low enough. There's no need for Trinity in the MBA either since Ivy Bridge improves in both areas. A slight graphics upgrade compared to Ivy-Bridge by switching to Trinity would lead to much slower CPU performance at the same time. Mac users don't need DX11 to play games all day. A more powerful CPU to do actual work would benefit them far more. Trinity won't even be available by the time MBP/MBA does a refresh. When it does finally launch in late summer, Haswell will be out shortly in 2013, again nullifying any minute advantage in graphics for a platform that isn't really used for gaming in the first place.
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Are you really that ignorant? An iMac? That's a desktop system... The only thing Trinity has going for it is the integrated graphics and low power requirements. Not something that's of a huge concern to a desktop user. 77W is low enough. There's no need for Trinity in the MBA either since Ivy Bridge improves in both areas. A slight graphics upgrade compared to Ivy-Bridge by switching to Trinity would lead to much slower CPU performance at the same time. Mac users don't need DX11 to play games all day. A more powerful CPU to do actual work would benefit them far more. Trinity won't even be available by the time MBP/MBA does a refresh. When it does finally launch in late summer, Haswell will be out shortly in 2013, again nullifying any minute advantage in graphics for a platform that isn't really used for gaming in the first place.

Your statement of slight graphics improvement is false. Let me reword that for you. Trinity has a much better graphics upgrade from IB and a little more than slight decrease in cpu performance. With AMD fusion tech and app acceleration brings trinity within "pissing distance" of IB. Also, Trinity is to have at least a 25% increase in cpu performance while IB is to have less than 10% increase. And Trinity is to have at least 50% increase in graphcs over llano while IB is to have 50% increase over HD3000 which still puts Intel just as much behind AMD in graphics as last year. And the main thing trinity has going for it is not just graphics but also price compared to IB which is probably the biggest point out of all of them.
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most people who buy macs are people who have a lot of money that want something that looks stylish and that can do what they need it for.
Most people who buy macs are wealthy people who just want it to impress their friends or whatever.

Another genius post on OCN. Gotta love em.
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Trinity will be a massive gain over Llano, yet IB is barely 10-20%..

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Two can play this game. Show me legit benchmarks that say the CPU performance of Trinity will be a "massive gain."

Show me legit proof of the majority of Mac users not just being browser monkeys.
And show me proof of HD4k matching/beating Llanos IGP.
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No, they don't.(Oh wait!)

More proof
lachen.gif A couple of Fan issues on a few individual laptops.... Guess what, fans go bad on all laptops. Two of my DELL laptops have had to get their fans replaced. Oh noes, they must be defective too! Get a grip...

They had overheating problems...Which is what I was talking about. Not to mention the base of the laptop gets very hot during use.
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..Really? I mean, really? The only OS that can claim the majority of its users are computer savvy are Linux, BSD and a few niche OS'
While you might know a lot of Mac users who are scientists, engineers, programmers, etc (I know a lot of programmers on Linux, does that mean all of Linux is programmers?) the majority would still easily be your average student who doesn't know much about PCs.

person I know who has a Macbook couldn't get bootcamp working so she could play Skyrim.
You over-estimate the savvyness of the average Mac user by quite a bit just because the ones near you use Macs for more than facebook, twitter and youtube.

Again, your personal anecdotal evidence of someone you know is not relative of the average mac user. No one said the majority. Reading comprehension fail... I said the average mac user is far more tech savvy and technically inclined than the average windows user. The fact that it has a great GUI on top of a solid UNIX core is why you see so many people in those fields using it. Don't confuse the average iPod/iPhone user you seen on youtube with the typical mac user.

I'm not, you're severely over-estimating the amount of Mac users who do professional work compared to the amount that occasionally put a video on youtube and then claim they're professional film editors.
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Was I claiming they will? I don't recall it.

Do I really need to quote you trying to claim 4.8Ghz BD is within "pissing distance" of a 2600K @ 5Ghz? You can't even remember what you wrote?

Did you even look at my link? 4.8Ghz BD is barely behind a 5Ghz 2600k in the second (longest) pass in Handbrake.
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And why would a Trinity based APU be too slow for the average Macbook Air, Mac Mini or iMac owner?

Are you really that ignorant? An iMac? That's a desktop system... The only thing Trinity has going for it is the integrated graphics and low power requirements. Not something that's of a huge concern to a desktop user. 77W is low enough. There's no need for Trinity in the MBA either since Ivy Bridge improves in both areas. A slight graphics upgrade compared to Ivy-Bridge by switching to Trinity would lead to much slower CPU performance at the same time. Mac users don't need DX11 to play games all day. A more powerful CPU to do actual work would benefit them far more. Trinity won't even be available by the time MBP/MBA does a refresh. When it does finally launch in late summer, Haswell will be out shortly in 2013, again nullifying any minute advantage in graphics for a platform that isn't really used for gaming in the first place.

A desktop system that mostly uses laptop parts...Laptop CPU, SODIMMs, laptop graphics chips, etc. Trinity would work well as a low-end option in the 21.5" although I would see the 17w version as much more likely to be in the Mac Mini. As for a scaled up version at 35w-45w...Well, even if I go by pre-launch guesses, the 17w version will be around the level of Intel. A 35w or 45w version could be immensely faster...See my point for Trinity in the iMac now? It's not just the 17w Ultrabook APU.

And keep in mind Apple may have it earlier, I'm fairly sure Apple had the first SB laptop chips out. And I've heard nothing but March for Trinity and "early 2012" for the MBA refresh...Ties in quite well.
    
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Show me legit proof of the majority of Mac users not just being browser monkeys.
And show me proof of HD4k matching/beating Llanos IGP.
They had overheating problems...Which is what I was talking about. Not to mention the base of the laptop gets very hot during use.
I'm not, you're severely over-estimating the amount of Mac users who do professional work compared to the amount that occasionally put a video on youtube and then claim they're professional film editors.
Did you even look at my link? 4.8Ghz BD is barely behind a 5Ghz 2600k in the second (longest) pass in Handbrake.
A desktop system that mostly uses laptop parts...Laptop CPU, SODIMMs, laptop graphics chips, etc. Trinity would work well as a low-end option in the 21.5" although I would see the 17w version as much more likely to be in the Mac Mini. As for a scaled up version at 35w-45w...Well, even if I go by pre-launch guesses, the 17w version will be around the level of Intel. A 35w or 45w version could be immensely faster...See my point for Trinity in the iMac now? It's not just the 17w Ultrabook APU.
And keep in mind Apple may have it earlier, I'm fairly sure Apple had the first SB laptop chips out. And I've heard nothing but March for Trinity and "early 2012" for the MBA refresh...Ties in quite well.

I concur... this^^
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I'm an IT professional with many years experience, especially in the repair/support sector.

Macs are by far the most reliable laptops I've ever dealt with. The only failures I've seen have been HDD faults and smashed LCD panels.

I also own a MacBook, which is a great laptop, looks great, reliable, quick and portable. What more do you want?

Over the years I've come to know many fellow IT professionals and about 75% of them all use Macs as their day-to-day computer. I can understand why some people think that Macs are only bought by rich kids etc, but they are a very popular brand. However, most Mac-haters tend to only focus on the young rich kid demographic. Macs are used by many people who know what they are talking about, and for those people you have MacBook Pro's and Mac Pro desktops.

The majority of Mac haters have never actually worked in the IT world.

Yes, the Apple stores are full of annoying kids, but those who do know their stuff shop online instead wink.gif
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I'm an IT professional with many years experience, especially in the repair/support sector.
Macs are by far the most reliable laptops I've ever dealt with. The only failures I've seen have been HDD faults and smashed LCD panels.
I also own a MacBook, which is a great laptop, looks great, reliable, quick and portable. What more do you want?
Over the years I've come to know many fellow IT professionals and about 75% of them all use Macs as their day-to-day computer. I can understand why some people think that Macs are only bought by rich kids etc, but they are a very popular brand. However, most Mac-haters tend to only focus on the young rich kid demographic. Macs are used by many people who know what they are talking about, and for those people you have MacBook Pro's and Mac Pro desktops.
The majority of Mac haters have never actually worked in the IT world.
Yes, the Apple stores are full of annoying kids, but those who do know their stuff shop online instead wink.gif

I agree that macs are very reliable and do have quality components in them. Thats what makes them so expensive along with their looks. But I still believe that most mac/apple owners are people who have not a single clue of what components are inside and what they do. Therefore making the majority of mac owners the rich kids adults that just want to have something fancy to show off. I do know that there are people that do buy macs and do know what they are buying but they are not the majority.
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Fans not spinning up properly is not an overheating issue in the product. It's an isolated incident.

You using youtube "stars" as examples of the typical mac user is exactly what I'm talking about.

Yeah, i saw a 4.2Ghz 1100T getting the same results as a 4.6Ghz BD while using less power...

An i5 2400 is not a laptop CPU. If you had said they would be using mobile GPUs, you would be correct and a 7970M in the new models would definitely be a nice upgrade.

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I'm an IT professional with many years experience, especially in the repair/support sector.

Macs are by far the most reliable laptops I've ever dealt with. The only failures I've seen have been HDD faults and smashed LCD panels.

I also own a MacBook, which is a great laptop, looks great, reliable, quick and portable. What more do you want?

Over the years I've come to know many fellow IT professionals and about 75% of them all use Macs as their day-to-day computer. I can understand why some people think that Macs are only bought by rich kids etc, but they are a very popular brand. However, most Mac-haters tend to only focus on the young rich kid demographic. Macs are used by many people who know what they are talking about, and for those people you have MacBook Pro's and Mac Pro desktops.

The majority of Mac haters have never actually worked in the IT world.

Yes, the Apple stores are full of annoying kids, but those who do know their stuff shop online instead wink.gif

Don't worry. Someone I know who uses a Mac doesn't know how to install Bootcamp, therefore the typical Mac user is now a bumbling idiot.
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But I still believe that most mac/apple owners are people who have not a single clue of what components are inside and what they do.

Same goes for the majority of Windows PC users, too wink.gif
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Same goes for the majority of Windows PC users, too wink.gif

The difference is that PC's are cheaper and the only reason to buy a mac for those kinds of people is to show it off. "look how much money I spent"

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/30/39-apple-products/
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