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Mobile Ivy Bridge is holding the TDP constant compared to SB (meaning slight real-world TDP drop). Most of the extra performance is going to the integrated graphics. Pretty sure you guys can do the math.. massive die shrink, same TDP = ...? Right, huge performance gain somewhere.
996, this is a case of blatant AMD/Bulldozer fanboyism. Facts have been ignored repeatedly, any numbers will be skewed in favor of AMD, etc. It really sad. I show an article stating 17W Trinity will be the same speed as 35W Llano. Pretty sure OP actually linked the article (if not in this thread, another one)! Considering it comes from AMD Marketing team, that means 17W Trinity will be as fast as an A4-3300M at best. HD 3000 is only 50% behind A6-3400M, which (best-case) is the performance-equivalent of what would be seen in an AMD ultrathin. HD 4000 is 50% faster, meaning it'll probably be faster than 17W Trinity. Also 17W Ivy Bridge i5's will have a dual-core turbo of 2.6ghz, on top of a 6-15% IPC gain. Pretty much, i5-2520M performance, vs. A6-3400M performance on CPU side (AMD being 50% slower, and depressingly slow on a per-core basis); and graphics will be roughly the same speed. Perhaps the most neglected point, Intel's Ivy Bridge will have ridiculously low idle power consumption, and lower load power consumption than AMD. There's almost no point bringing out a 32nm mobile product to compete with Intel's 22nm product. Pricing is their only sell-point, which is just hurting AMD's profit margin.
TBH I'm done arguing with a certain AMD fanboy, there's just no point. It's like catching someone lying to your face and having them deny it.

Really? Keep on pulling random numbers out of our butt and ignore the facts.

The Trinity has a much better iGPU than Llano and a good 20% IPC Gain, as confirmed from AMD and other sources.

Ivy Bridge is JUST A DIE SHRINK, you fools now what that means? A 10-20% Gain at best and a slightly reduced TDP, there is now way they can just halve it, and even if HD4000 is 100% Faster than HD3000 its still not up to par with AMD iGPU..

Unprofessional slamming anyone supporting AMD and calling them fanboy? Seriously?

Yet you compare LLano to Ivy Bride rolleyes.gif Its TRINITY V IVY BRIDGE
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Really? Keep on pulling random numbers out of our butt and ignore the facts.
The Trinity has a much better iGPU than Llano and a good 20% IPC Gain, as confirmed from AMD and other sources.
Ivy Bridge is JUST A DIE SHRINK, you fools now what that means? A 10-20% Gain at best and a slightly reduced TDP, there is now way they can just halve it, and even if HD4000 is 100% Faster than HD3000 its still not up to par with AMD iGPU..
Unprofessional slamming anyone supporting AMD and calling them fanboy? Seriously?
Yet you compare LLano to Ivy Bride rolleyes.gif Its TRINITY V IVY BRIDGE

THIS^^^^

This is just getting retarded in here. None of these people read the thread and come in here talking out their azz like you said. This is getting pathetic. Here is the source for you guys who are incapable of doing the research yourself.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5411/amds-trinity-apu-at-ces-shipping-in-mid2012

And this is just one of many. Maybe you should try using google. You have heard of it right?
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It's been confirmed Ivy Bridge is a die shrink and a 10-20% Gain in IPC, and a decrease in TDP. Remember Conroe to Wolfdale? Bloomfield to Gulftown?

Take your head out of your butt and see some Trinity demo's at CES.

Llano and soon enough Trinity will lock Intel out of the low end market.

Yes, yes I do. Wolfdale was ~10% faster on average and Gulftown wasn't really that much faster, it just had more cores and clocked a lot higher.
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  • It's all speculation based off your local area,
  • out of the majority of Macbook users I see^, most would never use a Mac for half the stuff you mentioned
  • The majority of the older iMacs did use laptop CPUs
  • It's still an overheating problem

You're delusional. I'm not the one trying to use circumstantial evidence here when all you need to do is look at Facebook, Google, tech-startups, Silicon Valley companies and the movie/music industry to see what OS they're using. End of discussion.



The iMac does not use a laptop CPU. Neither has any of the models for the past 3 years.

Tedman has the model of MBP that you're claiming is overheating.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You think because your experience working out in bumville fixing your friends and parents' computers qualifies you as a IT professional to speak on the matter. You haven't worked in Silicon Valley to be talking about what the IT world uses nor do you have any real experience in the field. Reading some blog on the internet about a problem they don't understand isn't a fact either.

You'll notice the only people agreeing with you are Windows PC Gamers...

Facebook? Circumstantial evidence, most technical people I see on there are PC users and the Mac users tend to be more your average user.
Google? Show me where Mac is on Google, then.
Tech-startups? A lot of Windows based stuff around here. Circumstantial, like I said.
Silicon Valley companies? Last I checked, the majority used Windows?
Movie/Music industry actually has a lot of Windows PCs, Linux rendering farms, etc. Mac does own this market though.

You're yet to provide any actual evidence beyond your own word, too. Hence why its completely circumstantial evidence. You see some areas with mainly Macs, I see areas with mainly PCs.

He has the 9400m, not the 9600m. Differing GPU, but it shows that Apples cooling system was not up to par for higher end GPUs.

I actually work at the IBM branch here, and applied for a job recently at the largest computer parts retailer in my state. Nice try though. I tend to fix a lot more than friends and parents' computers. How about actually getting out of your own little reality distortion field before you act like you know what everyone does for a living?
    
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Creative professionals are moving towards PC's running Linux and Windows. The majority of rendering, video effects, etc. are run on PC's nowadays. Movies that used Windows/Linux for rendering/video effects include Harry Potter, Wall-E, I Am Legend, Spiderman, Thor, etc.

Apple's main market is casual consumer users nowadays not creative professionals. Final Cut Pro X is closer to Windows Movie Maker than Vegas or Premiere Pro.

There is no reason for pros to use Macs anymore. Back in the 90's, Apple used to be one of the few platforms stable enough to do creative development. Nowadays, Windows and Linux are more than stable enough to support development. If you are going to run clusters, Linux is probably your cheapest choice.

Who are the majority that use Macs? Teenage and twenty-something girls. Posers at Starbucks. College students who just go on Facebook during class, type notes/reports, and watch Youtube. Then a bunch of casual computer users. You will have that occasional professor or researcher that uses a Mac. That is not the market Apple caters to however (see the abomination of Final Cut Pro X).
Edited by Riou - 1/16/12 at 12:03am
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Personally, I would not buy a Macbook with an AMD. In my head, when you pay a premium price for an apple product, you do not look at value for money aspect at all.

Exactly. It is like buying a Lamborghini or Ferrari and putting BBS rims on them.

Offtopic: Wait what? There's quite a few Lamboghini's and Ferrari's that come with BBS rims as stock rims. In fact BBS is pretty much the highest quality of rims you can buy on the market. rolleyes.gif
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How about actually getting out of your own little reality distortion field before you act like you know what everyone does for a living?
LOL'd I was hoping you werent some basement geek and actually had a job in the IT world. Just finished reading the whole thread. PoopaScoopa always comes at ya pretty hard, by using aggressive wording and imaginary numbers and pretending to know who you are, what you do for a living, and what you ate for dinner last night.
    
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Creative professionals are moving towards PC's running Linux and Windows. The majority of rendering, video effects, etc. are run on PC's nowadays. Movies that used Windows/Linux for rendering/video effects include Harry Potter, Wall-E, I Am Legend, Spiderman, Thor, etc.
Apple's main market is casual consumer users nowadays not creative professionals. Final Cut Pro X is closer to Windows Movie Maker than Vegas or Premiere Pro.
There is no reason for pros to use Macs anymore. Back in the 90's, Apple used to be one of the few platforms stable enough to do creative development. Nowadays, Windows and Linux are more than stable enough to support development. If you are going to run clusters, Linux is probably your cheapest choice.
Who are the majority that use Macs? Teenage and twenty-something girls. Posers at Starbucks. College students who just go on Facebook during class, type notes/reports, and watch Youtube. Then a bunch of casual computer users. You will have that occasional professor or researcher that uses Macs. That is not the market Apple caters to however (see the abomination of Final Cut Pro X).

This is what Ive been saying the this whole time but people keep telling me otherwise. Most of mac user are rich kids who use it for facebook, email, office apps, music, videos and thats basically it. Thats like 95% of mac users. But some of these guys seem to think otherwise. Most of them buy it so they can just show it off to their friends. "look what i got and how much i spent'. When in reality they have no idea what components are inside let alone what they do. Most mac users do not use most of the power that comes with a mac. Most mac users could actually use an amd apu and not tell the difference in cpu performance cause they just dont use it and would benefit from amds better graphics when they go to play their hd videos or play their little games. And while they can tell no difference, they are paying half the price for the amd system. This is why I think apple would be much better off if they offered both intel cpu ( with amd discrete gpu for the ones that will use it) and amd apu (for most of mac users who just use it to talk on facebook and play video games they want or watch video and dont have to pay an arm and leg to get it) in their products and they would be able to get a much bigger buyers which in turn gives more profit.
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Offtopic: Wait what? There's quite a few Lamboghini's and Ferrari's that come with BBS rims as stock rims. In fact BBS is pretty much the highest quality of rims you can buy on the market. rolleyes.gif

Someone else stated this too. Its crazy how much people have no idea what they are talking about. People come in this thread and dont read it and post some off the wall ****e that dont make any sense to previous posts which actually have proved them wrong already. Some of these kids nowadays are really crazy and have no idea whats going on around them.

Come in here talking trash and about something they know nothing about and then someone has to prove them wrong which theyve already done ten times in the thread and then they aint got nothing to say after that.

Case and point. Jesse coming in here and talking about both IvyBridge and Trinity not knowing a damn thing about either one. Then you prove them wrong and they dont have anything to say after that.

If some of you guys coming in here for the first time, make sure you read the thread and know what you are talking about before you try to prove a point. You're only making yourself look dumb when you dont.
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  • I applied for a job recently
  • I tend to fix a lot more than friends and parents' computers.
That's exactly what I'm talking about. lachen.gif And you call yourself an IT professional...
You've never worked in Silicon Valley or at any of the tech-startups to be speaking about what machines you think they use.
You obviously don't know engineers at Facebook or Google either.
There's a reason why Sergey and Larry looked up to Steve Jobs for inspiration and even wanted him to be CEO of Google.
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  • I applied for a job recently
  • I tend to fix a lot more than friends and parents' computers.
That's exactly what I'm talking about. lachen.gif And you call yourself an IT professional...
You've never worked in Silicon Valley or at any of the tech-startups to be speaking about what machines you think they use.
You obviously don't know engineers at Facebook or Google either.
There's a reason why Sergey and Larry looked up to Steve Jobs for inspiration and even wanted him to be CEO of Google.

Steve Jobs was a great CEO, but I doubt it's because they loved Macs or something. They use their own Linux distribution and have even before the Xserve lines were cancelled...Not what they'd do if Macs/OS X were the main choice of professionals in Silicon Valley.

Even Final Cut Pro is slowly becoming more like movie maker (ie. Simplified and not really all that powerful), not the thing they'd do if it was very popular as you say.
And way to cut out half my post to "prove" your point, it proves you're just trolling. Nor did you provide the evidence I asked for, hence, it's still all circumstantial. Considering I live on the other side of the Pacific Ocean to Silicon Valley, the only real ways I can see anywhere near there are via videos on youtube and the like...And most of the ones I've seen there are Windows or Linux, except in the recording industry which it was mostly Macs like I said.

Now, want me to try and dig up the multitude of videos I've seen of professionals working (Or explaining their work) or are you going to provide real proof that isn't your typing?
    
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AMD could fit 4 integer cores using the Piledriver architecture (which was based off Buldozer, which many of you considered to be utter crap) that perform better than AMD K10 (Llano, Phenom II) and Bulldozer architectures.... and a GPU that performs better than what the previous generation had to offer (and the previous generation offered the world's fastest iGPU)........ in an 18W TDP - that's less than half the TDP of the previous gen too.  And I think this is on 32nm silicon and not even 22nm.

I don't know about you, but I don't really care about comparisons with what Intel might come out with.  I'm impressed.

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