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Oh, gee, you've watched youtube videos so now you're an expert on what people who actually work in the IT field use and whether they're tech savvy or not... No point in continuing to respond to someone who works on mom and dad's computers and watches youtube videos. You could at least watch documentaries on Pixar, Facebook, Google, Dropbox and other Silicon Valley companies since your only experience with professionals is through seeing them on youtube...

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AMD could fit 4 integer cores using the Piledriver architecture (which was based off Buldozer, which many of you considered to be utter crap) that perform better than AMD K10 (Llano, Phenom II) and Bulldozer architectures.... and a GPU that performs better than what the previous generation had to offer (and the previous generation offered the world's fastest iGPU)........ in an 18W TDP - that's less than half the TDP of the previous gen too.  And I think this is on 32nm silicon and not even 22nm.

I don't know about you, but I don't really care about comparisons with what Intel might come out with.  I'm impressed.


Sure Trinity improved on both CPU and GPU performance. There's no question about that. But their CPU performance is still lacking compared to Intel. The slight graphics advantage over Ivy Bridge isn't of huge concern to a platform that doesn't focus on DX11 gaming. A more powerful CPU is far more beneficial to people doing work instead of gaming, especially when it uses OpenGL.

We don't even have a Trinity laptop available for independent review either. It's not going to be out in time for the MBP/MBA refresh like Ivy Bridge is(which is the topic of this thread).
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 1/16/12 at 12:46am
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Oh, gee, you've watched youtube videos so now you're an expert on what people who actually work in the IT field use and whether they're tech savvy or not... No point in continuing to respond to someone who works on mom and dad's computers and watches youtube videos. You could at least watch documentaries on Pixar, Facebook, Google, Dropbox and other Silicon Valley companies since your only experience with professionals is through seeing them on youtube...

So how am I going to link files on my machine? If the same documentaries are on youtube, I'd link them...Not upload a 700MB or so MKV just for a few minutes total footage.

Once again, proof?
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You can't really compare CPU performance between chips without a TDP basis.

If an AMD APU had a CPU that performed not as well as the Intel APU/IB but consumed less power - with the performance gap being further closed if clock speed and TDP are increased.  What is the comparison then?  For all we know the Piledriver core could be a massive power consumption improvement over Bulldozer and even more massive over K10/Llano/Phenom II - which, on the flipside, enables more clock speed and performance headroom.


I'm going to be going through this bandwagon this summer when I choose my laptop.  Trinity APU or Ivy Bridge based system.  I think it's too early to compare, with only vague details being out about both platforms.  That's why I choose not to and simply be impressed or depressed depending on what I hear from either side.  There's also price as a factor.

 

Maybe the AMD will take 2.5-3Ghz to provide the instructions per second performance of a 2Ghz Intel processor but if the power consumption is roughly similar and then of course take price into account... things change.  Especially in laptops where you're really not expected to be able to overclock.

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So how am I going to link files on my machine? If the same documentaries are on youtube, I'd link them...Not upload a 700MB or so MKV just for a few minutes total footage.
Once again, proof?

Something that you've failed to provide when accusing the typical Mac user of being illiterate of computers. As Tedman said, your personal experience with your friends in the middle of nowhere isn't indicative of what real professionals in the industry use.

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You can't really compare CPU performance between chips without a TDP basis.

If an AMD APU had a CPU that performed not as well as the Intel APU/IB but consumed less power - with the performance gap being further closed if clock speed and TDP are increased.  What is the comparison then?  For all we know the Piledriver core could be a massive power consumption improvement over Bulldozer and even more massive over K10/Llano/Phenom II - which, on the flipside, enables more clock speed and performance headroom.


I'm going to be going through this bandwagon this summer when I choose my laptop.  Trinity APU or Ivy Bridge based system.  I think it's too early to compare, with only vague details being out about both platforms.  That's why I choose not to and simply be impressed or depressed depending on what I hear from either side.  There's also price as a factor.

 

Maybe the AMD will take 2.5-3Ghz to provide the instructions per second performance of a 2Ghz Intel processor but if the power consumption is roughly similar and then of course take price into account... things change.  Especially in laptops where you're really not expected to be able to overclock.


That's fine if you want to get a cheaper laptop with Trinity. I don't think anyone's faulting people for that. The thread is about whether Apple would use it in their MBP/MBA though. DX11 gaming doesn't mean anything to OpenGL users who aren't focused on gaming performance. You're still going to see discreet GPUs in the MBP 15"/17". For the MBA, the Ivy Bridge's improved GPU is good enough to do anything they need while not sacrificing CPU performance.
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The difference is that PC's are cheaper and the only reason to buy a mac for those kinds of people is to show it off. "look how much money I spent"
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/30/39-apple-products/

Lol.

I like this big pissing contest debate going on. I seriously doubt the majority of Mac purchases were creative departments and not a bunch of people who pertain to that article.

I appreciate Mac products because they're really high quality and nice, but they cost far more than they should so they can create this false "This product is automatically superior due to the price tag" mentality.

As to people in the "IT Field" (not sure what that means since as long as your job is in IT, you automatically belong to the IT Field. Maybe this is another Mac user invention). The majority of them do not use Mac. I have yet to meet more than two people in any IT convention or gathering that uses Mac as their main computer (excluding writers/journalists). Look around OCN, how many Macbooks, Mac Pros, or iCrap do you see in the rigbuilder?

Anyways, I'll go back to my very complicated and confusing Windows 7 rolleyes.gif
     
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Reading comprehension fail. No one would be ridiculous enough to say that the majority of people use Macs. We all know their market share is in the 10-12% range. Some ignorant people tried to claim that the typical mac user is a bumbling idiot when it comes to computers though. I don't know how you can call professionals who use a BSD system illiterate of computing but some kid's anecdotal evidence of his friend not knowing how to install Bootcamp seems to be enough evidence for the typical OCN Apple basher to make it fact.
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Reading comprehension fail. No one would be ridiculous enough to say that the majority of people use Macs. We all know their market share is in the 10-12% range. Some ignorant people tried to claim that the typical mac user is a bumbling idiot when it comes to computers though. I don't know how you can call professionals who use a BSD system illiterate of computing but some kid's anecdotal evidence of his friend not knowing how to install Bootcamp seems to be enough evidence for the typical OCN Apple basher to make it fact.

Almost every Mac user I have personally met (about 25 out of 30) has complained about Windows being too complicated to use. Many of them when asked if they would use a computer from another company if it just had the Mac OS on it said they wouldn't. When asked why, they simply stated its not the same or its not as pretty (typically women on the latter answer). I don't think all of the users are bumbling idiots in the Mac realm, but they are very prevalent (a lot of Windows users are as well, but that's simply because that's a huge market share so higher population creates a false sense of an issue being more widespread because its been scaled to the new population, while in reality its probably a similar ratio). The Apple store employees on the other hand are pretty knowledgeable (they do lack some more fine knowledge in the hardware area, but its certainly passable).

tl;dr: I don't think they're all dumb, but there are a large number of them, just like Windows.

EDIT: Not sure what I failed to comprehend redface.gif
     
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Don't AMD chips traditionally run hotter than Intel chips? I have always found that mine did.
Is a hotter running chip a good idea for a line of machines that already has issues with dissipating heat?
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Don't AMD chips traditionally run hotter than Intel chips? I have always found that mine did.
Is a hotter running chip a good idea for a line of machines that already has issues with dissipating heat?

The new AMD APU's are low wattage. A current AMD APU (CPU & GPU) uses 50 percent less watts than my Core 2 Duo Mobile CPU from 2009. These are some cool running chips.
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Don't AMD chips traditionally run hotter than Intel chips?

No they run at about the same temp but they overheat easier. Deneb max safe temp is 62C and Lynnfield max safe temp is 72C
    
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