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You can't really compare CPU performance between chips without a TDP basis.
If an AMD APU had a CPU that performed not as well as the Intel APU/IB but consumed less power - with the performance gap being further closed if clock speed and TDP are increased.  What is the comparison then?  For all we know the Piledriver core could be a massive power consumption improvement over Bulldozer and even more massive over K10/Llano/Phenom II - which, on the flipside, enables more clock speed and performance headroom.

I'm going to be going through this bandwagon this summer when I choose my laptop.  Trinity APU or Ivy Bridge based system.  I think it's too early to compare, with only vague details being out about both platforms.  That's why I choose not to and simply be impressed or depressed depending on what I hear from either side.  There's also price as a factor.

Maybe the AMD will take 2.5-3Ghz to provide the instructions per second performance of a 2Ghz Intel processor but if the power consumption is roughly similar and then of course take price into account... things change.  Especially in laptops where you're really not expected to be able to overclock.

Nicely said. I agree
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Reading comprehension fail. No one would be ridiculous enough to say that the majority of people use Macs. We all know their market share is in the 10-12% range. Some ignorant people tried to claim that the typical mac user is a bumbling idiot when it comes to computers though. I don't know how you can call professionals who use a BSD system illiterate of computing but some kid's anecdotal evidence of his friend not knowing how to install Bootcamp seems to be enough evidence for the typical OCN Apple basher to make it fact.

I dont think anyone has agreed with you that the majority of mac users are professionals. Go into a big city with a notepad and do the survey for yourself. You will see that the majority of mac owners are stupid rich kids that could give two shts of whats in his system or what it does. If you cant see then then you should get your eyes checked. I have lived in LosAngeles, New York, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Raleigh and many other cities and its all the same. No matter where you go except maybe in your area, most of the mac users in the United States at least are illiterate and cant tell their MBP from a Hp laptop except how pretty it looks on the screen and on the outside. Thats it.

Also, Brutuz keeps asking for some proof of your statements and you still have yet to deliver, 5 pages later and still no proof.
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No they run at about the same temp but they overheat easier. Deneb max safe temp is 62C and Lynnfield max safe temp is 72C

This all in all is the reason AMD runs cooler. While Intel chip are capapble of going up to 70C, AMD chips dont go over 60C which as a direct result, AMD CPU's run cooler. But it does allow an AMD cpu to overheat easier. It will be fine though as long as your fan doesnt go out. If your fans dies than it doesnt matter what cpu you have its going to over heat.

IMO there is no reason why apple should not have both AMD and Intel in their systems as far as APU's. There are those few mac owners that do you use the computer to its full potential. There are not a lot but regardless there are still some. If apple did this it would open a whole new market for them. People want a cheaper notebook that looks good and is retard-proof. Thats what mac offers. It also offers quality components but with most of its clientel, they dont know the difference. So for most of apples owners they can get a notebook that looks the same and feels the same as the intel ones and they wouldnt know the difference with an AMD chip for what they use it for. The only difference is the price to them. Granted most of the people that go in there want the most expensive thing anyway, for the people who like macs and their OS that dont have the money to buy apple products could now get a apple with an AMD APU and not be able to tell the difference over the more expensive ones simply because they dont use it like that. Now they dont only have products for rich snobby spoiled stupid kids but also the cheap stubborn stupid kids. Everyones happy now. I am not saying if you have a mac that you are rich and stupid. All I am saying is that most people who buy macs fit this profile, not all, most.
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Poopascoopa you are so funny.. making me laugh over here...

Your Apple arguments are from 1998....
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He has the 9400m, not the 9600m. Differing GPU, but it shows that Apples cooling system was not up to par for higher end GPUs.

Actually, I don't have the 9600m because mine is the normal MacBook (not Pro), albeit the same chassis as the 13" MacBook Pro. The Pro's of the late 2008 era had the 9600M GT with 512MB VRAM.

Currently the aluminium from this laptop is making my legs freeze lol. It does eventually get warm, yes, but so does every other laptop I've ever owned.

Don't tell me that other manufacturer's s**t don't stink - If I had a penny for every non-Apple laptop that had overheating issues, I'd be a millionaire!
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Actually, I don't have the 9600m because mine is the normal MacBook (not Pro), albeit the same chassis as the 13" MacBook Pro. The Pro's of the late 2008 era had the 9600M GT with 512MB VRAM.
Currently the aluminium from this laptop is making my legs freeze lol. It does eventually get warm, yes, but so does every other laptop I've ever owned.
Don't tell me that other manufacturer's s**t don't stink - If I had a penny for every non-Apple laptop that had overheating issues, I'd be a millionaire!

So you have owned over 100 million laptops. WOW thats a lot...
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Reading comprehension fail. No one would be ridiculous enough to say that the majority of people use Macs. We all know their market share is in the 10-12% range. Some ignorant people tried to claim that the typical mac user is a bumbling idiot when it comes to computers though. I don't know how you can call professionals who use a BSD system illiterate of computing but some kid's anecdotal evidence of his friend not knowing how to install Bootcamp seems to be enough evidence for the typical OCN Apple basher to make it fact.

Here is your proof that professionals are no longer using macs and why its no good anymore.

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2012/01/video-pros-apple-needs-to-acknowledge-the-pro-industry-and-fast.ars

Like I said before, most of mac owners are rich kids/adults who just want to show something off and have something they can check their email, facebook, myspace, youtube, and watch videos, listen to music and play stupid games. The majority...

Which is why apple should include AMD in their products as well to open the market to people who are not so rich that are still kids/adults that want to do all the same stuff.

It has been proven that most of the apple owners have an income of over $100,000 a year. With bringing AMD APU's into their systems they can lower the cost of their products and allow the middle and lower class people to be able to purchase macs as well.

Its a win-win for everyone including apple themselves.
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Dunno about the USA, but here almost all Apple devices are bought and used as fashion objects, not because of their good quality, hardware, etc, but for being fashionable and "Premium" kinda.
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So you have owned over 100 million laptops. WOW thats a lot...

Lol rolleyes.gif

I've worked a lot in the laptop repair business. I wish I was so rich I had bazillions of laptops biggrin.gif
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amd's flagship cpu is slow enought to go in a macbook air..

or perhaps an ipod touch?
     
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amd's flagship cpu is slow enought to go in a macbook air..
or perhaps an ipod touch?

I'd have to say that an ipod touch is faster than your sig rig though...

Nobody buys flagship cpu's unless they just want to waste their money. All flagship cpu's are overpriced. Same with intel.

You either get the next step down if you want the best from the company like 8120 or 3930k because they save you a lot of money. Or you go with mainstream for price/performance comparison.
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I'd have to say that an ipod touch is faster than your sig rig though...
Nobody buys flagship cpu's unless they just want to waste their money. All flagship cpu's are overpriced. Same with intel.
You either get the next step down if you want the best from the company like 8120 or 3930k because they save you a lot of money. Or you go with mainstream for price/performance comparison.

I think his Core2 Quad would still give your FX a run for its money wink.gif

Nothing wrong with 775 biggrin.gif
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