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^Right, I'm going to waste 5 minutes watching fanboy vids when you could simply state the facts. Intel's HD 4000 graphics on Ivy Bridge are going to be like 60% faster than HD 3000, and AMD's A6-3400M integrated is only 30% faster. So now, you could go with a Ivy Bridge dual-core or a Llano (because we all know Trinity is being delayed), not a tough choice, give me the faster CPU, GPU, and lower TDP.
Realistically Apple would go with Trinity or whatever replaces AMD's E-series, since Llano just isn't bringing it compared to Ivy Bridge.
Also I think it'll be a tough sell for AMD in a Macbook Air, unless it's at least $100 cheaper than the Intel option. And yes, I realize that i3/i5 ULV's sell for a lot more than AMD's E-350... so Apple could pull off the pricing.

Trinity is coming out before Ivy Bridge and Trinity graphics is 50% better than Llano. When you go to prove a point make sure you do it right. So before intel comes out with its 60% better than 3000 graphics amd 100% better is already out. Sorry maybe next time.
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And the videos were just for a laugh cause they really dont mean anything cause they are old as hell. Stay up to date man. Best advice I can give you.

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^Right, I'm going to waste 5 minutes watching fanboy vids when you could simply state the facts. Intel's HD 4000 graphics on Ivy Bridge are going to be like 60% faster than HD 3000, and AMD's A6-3400M integrated is only 30% faster. .

60% faster than HD 3000 isn't saying much.
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Intel's HD 4000 graphics on Ivy Bridge are going to be like 60% faster than HD 3000, and AMD's A6-3400M integrated is only 30% faster. So now, you could go with a Ivy Bridge dual-core or a Llano (because we all know Trinity is being delayed)
Sweet! Where can I find those benchmarks? If those figures are true, I'm going to get myself a new IB setup like right now!
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60% faster than HD 3000 isn't saying much.

Yep thats still like 100% worse than llano. Intel Integrated graphics = thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif
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perhaps you took me in the wrong aspect. AMD's have this 'value for money' aka cheap reputation to it and I would not want that in an Apple if I were to buy one because apple products as classed as premium products in the real world and are known as expensive products.

I don't think consumers know what a Intel or AMD even is. rolleyes.gif

AMD is by no means "cheap or inexpensive" I wouldn't consider a $700 Radeon 6990 'cheap'.
 
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^Right, I'm going to waste 5 minutes watching fanboy vids when you could simply state the facts. Intel's HD 4000 graphics on Ivy Bridge are going to be like 60% faster than HD 3000, and AMD's A6-3400M integrated is only 30% faster. So now, you could go with a Ivy Bridge dual-core or a Llano (because we all know Trinity is being delayed), not a tough choice, give me the faster CPU, GPU, and lower TDP.
Realistically Apple would go with Trinity or whatever replaces AMD's E-series, since Llano just isn't bringing it compared to Ivy Bridge.
Also I think it'll be a tough sell for AMD in a Macbook Air, unless it's at least $100 cheaper than the Intel option. And yes, I realize that i3/i5 ULV's sell for a lot more than AMD's E-350... so Apple could pull off the pricing.

Just wanted to point out that you compared an A6 which when compared to an A8 is like 30% less quality graphics.
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I do recall Apple threatening Intel, saying that they need to deliver better performing ULV CPUs.

We'll see if Apple goes with Trinity; at this point we can't say anything about power consumption (here's hoping it's considerably better than Llano and Piledriver will fix the fail that is Bulldozer's power draw). They'd need to fit an A8 in there to get the same CPU performance as the dual-core Intels they're using now though
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Intel's HD 4000 graphics on Ivy Bridge are going to be like 60% faster than HD 3000, and AMD's A6-3400M integrated is only 30% faster. So now, you could go with a Ivy Bridge dual-core or a Llano (because we all know Trinity is being delayed)
Sweet! Where can I find those benchmarks? If those figures are true, I'm going to get myself a new IB setup like right now!
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Yep thats still like 100% worse than llano. Intel Integrated graphics = thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

First I'll preface by saying that Intel's integrated graphics performance gains since ~2008 have been unmatched (percentage-wise). And they're continuing with their >50% jumps yearly, started with the jump from C2D to 1st-gen Core i.

All I see is the highest-end Llano integrated is 50% faster than HD 3000. The A6 is more like 30%. http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-6620G.54675.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-3000.37948.0.html

http://lenzfire.com/2011/12/new-amd-llano-and-trinity-apu-release-date-89969/
I'm seeing 30% GPU gain for Trinity. Big deal, 30% gain compared to Intel's 60% gain, it'll only be perhaps 30% faster on GPU, while AMD's CPU will be over 3 years behind Intel (slower than 1st-gen i7).

http://forum.notebookreview.com/hardware-components-aftermarket-upgrades/636978-ivy-bridge-mobile-3920xm-tested.html
HD 4000 gets 8049 on 3DMark06, vs. 5275 for HD 3000. ~52% gain.


OT but Intel's IB ULV i5's will be fast as their standard-voltage SB i5's. Which is faster than any dual-core AMD CPU ever made (dekstop or mobile).
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Llano is twice as good as sandybridge. Stated here.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4448/amd-llano-desktop-performance-preview/4

Trinity to be 50% better than llano. stated here.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4705/amds-trinity-officially-branded-as-radeon-hd-7000-products

When trying to prove a point use better sources.
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